John Challis flies home as children raid house

TV star John Challis jetted back from Hawaii after learning runaway children had broken into his home, he revealed at a public meeting last night.

TV star John Challis jetted back from Hawaii after learning runaway children had broken into his home, he revealed at a public meeting last night.

Mr Challis, who played Boycie in hit series Only Fools and Horses, was speaking at a meeting in Adforton, near Leintwardine.

Residents, including Mr Challis, told the meeting of a decade of disturbances, anti-social behaviour and police action in the village caused by children absconding from Mill House Care Home.

And they told care home bosses, who also attended the meeting, that they wanted the home for vulnerable children moved to a ‘more appropriate’ setting.

Keys Group took over Mill House last year and bosses they ‘had no reason’ to consider it a bad place for vulnerable children.

Mr Challis told the meeting that he and his wife, Carol, cut short their holiday in Hawaii when they heard their home had been raided by youngsters from Mill House.

Mr Challis said: “They had broken in and stolen some malt whisky.

“The strength of feeling is very strong. We have been going through this for 10-years. The community have had enough, this was the last straw.”

Emma Beech, divisional director for Keys, said: “Mill House is not a secure property, the doors are open and it’s not a prison. Some of the children have had terrible experiences and some placements at the home are extremely positive.”

Comments for: "John Challis flies home as children raid house"

eva land

Move 'em to a working class area, like wot Boycie cums from!

Woody

That's a wind up comment if ever I read one!

Ed

We live near a very small home for abused kids and yes there's a bit of trouble, but nothing compared to what these kids have been through. I'm sure if I had my house broken into I'd be angry, but would clm down and understand. Where else can they go? Why shouldn't they live in a nice, safe place?

Gary

Perhaps you should wait until your house has been robbed, cars vandalised, lead stolen off your roof, plants ripped out of your garden before you make such a crass comment. As you understand, pehaps you would foster them and pay for their crimes? As for the rest of us, if can stomach it, watch Jeremy Kyle - it's good to see where your taxes are really spent.

david

Then why should "Boycie" not live in a nice, safe place???

Ed

Oh and John Challis you sound like a spoilt brat. Ahhhhhhh how awful you cut short your wonderful holiday to come home to your expensive house because a few kids broke in. Most people can't afford to live in a beautiful, safe village and this sort of thing is normal in some areas.

Woody

What an ill thought comment. No-one should have their house broken into, no matter what the circumstances. It should also never be classed as "normal" to have your house broken into whatever area you live in.

There are laws in this country which apply to all and not selective groups. These children may have had a rough start but that doesn't exclude them from said laws. After all they need to be taught right from wrong just like anyone else.

Yes, be sympathetic with their past and take it into account but not use it an as excuse for poor behaviour, or they will never learn.

Marg

So he can have a nice life, but those who aren't as lucky as him can't?

Woody

Yes, they should be entitled to a better life as long as they respect others and their property. After all, respect is a two-way street.

Get A Life

Is it class or nimbyism or both - involve the kids in your community, teach them the way of the countryside, let them make benches, cut grass or paint the village; let them be proud of the village by involving them not turning them away. John Challis should be standing up for people who have a rough deal in life, that's how he got where he is today by highlighting this on shows like Only Fools - may as well be Only The Enriched Fools and their Horses.

Woody

I refer to my previous comments. This is not Nimbyism per se, it is a worry for all residents who live near such centres. That said, not all children shoud be tarred with the same brush, but like in all walks of society you will always get one or two bad eggs.

I like your idea of inclusion within the comunity with the children, but would they be allowed to and would they want to?

Kev

of course its Nimby-ism.. You've said it yourself it a worry for "anyone who lives near such centres".. so where can you build them then.. Do children who have been abused not deserve to live in the community or should they be locked away in victorian style workhouses?

Shame on you Woody.

Woody

If you had read the whole of my comment instead of picking out one valid point, you would see I didn't castigate all children, neither did I mention workhouses.

Shame on you Kev as "assumption is the mother of all cock-ups and failed arguments".

JOHN JONES

Woody, I like your comments on " assumption" Years ago I was told by a manager never to assume anything. otherwise you will make an " ass/u/me. [ass out of you and me]

Simon

So the hard working John Challis does not have any rights to a peaceful life here in Shropshire?

What pathetic, typical lefty comments from idiots who do not have a clue about the real world.

If one of these feral kids dared to come on my property, they would be in big trouble. I don't give a rats a*se what they have been through - I had to live with a drunkard father and a manic depressive mother, and once I reached 16 I left and made a better life for myself.

The 'pity me, pity me' attitude does nothing but drag society backwards.

max

"So the hard working John Challis does not have any rights to a peaceful life here in Shropshire?"

He would if he actually lived in Shropshire. He lives in Wigmore, which is in Herefordshire......as is the centre being discussed.

Lenton Shake

So Boycie was robbed across the border?That explains a lot. I had a very unsettling episode in Hereford once.A bottle of whisky was stolen? Shocking stuff.Being a bit of leftie I'm just relieved that the feral children didn't go near the 20 year old port that Boycie stashed under the sink or the Napolean brandy cunningly disguised as a bottle of Cinzano.

Gill

It isn't just John Challis who's complaining though, is it? It's the whole community and not just him who have been affected - hence the packed public meeting. The fact that he's newsworthy is not the news - the fact that the whole community is fed up, is.

Dave Pritchard

Its amazing to me that people condone anyone breaking an entering. You people need to comment after your own houses have been wrecked. The people in charge of these hooligans need to teach them respect. Respect for themselves, respect for others, and respect for other peoples property. Discipline maybe a dirty word these days, but its whats missing in our society.

eva land

Why is John Challis entitled to a peaceful life any more than the next person?

We have been robbed and the lad who we caught on the premises had a very privileged upbringing but felt entitled to come into our house and take whatever he could lay his hands on quickly to pay for booze and drugs.

Woody

Did he say he was? He was speaking about the whole village and including everyone in those comments.

Please read whole story before commenting.

Gill

Eva - John Challis is not any more entitled to a peaceful life than the next person BECAUSE we're all entitled to peaceful life. That's the meaning of the Queen's Peace which should not be breached. The issue should not be confused here - it is not about John CHALLIS, he's incidental. The fact is that a whole community of professional and manual-working, working and retired, old and young, incomers and families who have farmed here for generations, have come together to vote unaminously that after a decade of upset,

they want the care providers to think hard about moving the cause of the trouble elsewhere. That is the real news here.

HM

Let's be honest some (not all) of these youths are monsters. Perhaps it's time bring back borstals and even the birch.

Katherine de Gama

Abandoning a holiday in Hawaii seems something of a hissy fit. When my house was broken into while I was away it wasn't necessary to return immediately as the police very efficiently arranged for the place to be secured. Malt whisky is only 'stuff'. Nobody is immune from petty crime. I live in a nice part of Shrewsbury yet have been burgled five times and had three cars vandalised in the twelve years I have been here. The only alternative is to live as a prisoner in a gated 'community'. Maybe that would suit the actor better.

Doubter

Shock horror shrews resistent admits to being a crime victim x 5 times well done most deny it happens in lovely olde Town and bury heads in sand.

Kat de Gama

@doubted I don't quite get your point. Yes I've been burgled and had cars trashed. It happens everywhere. It's a nuisance that's all. Im sure I would feel differently if I I had felt threatened but , thankfully, that has not happened.

Doubter

My point is most Shewsbury locals will deny there is a crime problem in the Town, prefering to scoff and point at other towns, why even the Shropshire star will not print some of the crimes but seems to revel in printing others from other towns.

Kat de Gama

FYI @ Doubter. House on Wyle Cop. We and neighbours have regular climbers at the back. I'm away a lot and always have the things that can be sold in a pub car park with me. Non professional Shrews town centre burglaries seem to be heroin related.

Ed

This idea that Shrewsbury residents think there's no crime in the town was created by trolls like you. The shrop star report crimes in Shrewsbury, or did I just imagine it?

Kev

There is no excuse for criminal behaviour and if Mr Challis feels that the law has been broken I would consider the appropriate action is to seek a conviction against the two youngsters for breaking and entering, burglary or tresspassing on private property. But depriving three children of a home when they have been abused and cannot live at home due to circumstances completly beyond their control seems abit harsh to put it mildly.

Mr Challis did not fly straight home when he heard his house had been brokenin to...its my understanding he stayed on holiday for a further 2 weeks before coming "straight home". Also the two children that lived at the home have been removed. I understand Mr Challis' anger but put it in context and don't punish 3 young people who did not break into his home for the sins of others.

Strikes me Mr Challis is throwing his weight and political influence around in order to increase the value of his property... Also can alyone else sense a bit of NIMBY..Not in my back yard.

Rob, Telford

"depriving three children of a home when they have been abused and cannot live at home due to circumstances completly beyond their control"

...I'm not aware that is says anywhere in the coverage of this story that any or all of the children involved in this matter had been abused in any way.

If you have information that says that this is the case it would suggest that your involvement with this matter is as something other than simply a member of the public.

You sense NIMBY - I sense vested interest....

Katherine de Gama

If residents are concerned they should be campaigning for the home to be taken into local authority control. A private firm will always put efficiency and profit before social welfare.

eva land

[Did he say he was? He was speaking about the whole village and including everyone in those comments.

Please read whole story before commenting.]

Ok, Woody, so someone who is most famous for a spoof/comedy on wheeling and dealing, fraud and petty crime is now using his fame as an actor to draw attention to the plight of these special case villagers who happen to live where he does and are apparently more entitled to a peaceful life than the rest of society.

Its fantastic that there is nobody unemployed in this idyllic village, a real cocoon from the real world eh.

When Besford House in Shrewsbury was a Local Authority Children's home, I remember locals wanting it closed down, moved you name it, so I don't think your suggestion is likely to make a iota of difference Catherine.

On the other hand perhaps these children could be moved back to somewhere like Besford House because i'm not sure that the pedigree of folk living in a town like Shrewsbury is as high as this village.

Gary

Eva/Ed - the problem lies with people like you. It does not matter where, when or whom crimes are committed against or indeed where the Children's home is located.

It is about respect for other people and their property, no matter how much or how little they own.

You cloud the issue with your wingeing and nonsense pedigree outbursts. This all stems from an enforced lack of discipline and so called 'do gooders' excusing crime and ill behaviour. These so called problem children make their victims lives an utter misery.

Woody

Well said that man....

Wenlock Un

Gary,

You're correct, it is about respect for other people.... Tolerance, I'd call it.

In which case, why allow the generalisation that all children in this home are a 'so-called problem' and demand that the home be moved to somewhere 'more appropriate'? Surely it's just a case of taking action against those (often few) individuals who do not conform to the law? Children hanging around and making noise is not a crime and occurs throughout the land. You can't just brush it away to elsewhere because it's not your wish to hear. Do these people not have children?

p.s. How exactly do you enforce a lack of discipline?

Gary

Wenlock, the problem may not involve all of these chidren; a guess as is yours. Tolerance is an objective understanding of anothers thoughts or practices - not a way to absolve actual crime such as the reported house breaking, theft and anti-social crime.

p.s. Cannot seem to find the authors extract concerning "hanging around and making noise".

Woody

Eva, what he did as an actor makes no bearing on this issue. Yes he is an actor and yes he lives in this village, hence why the Shropshire Star highlighted this fact. He has not, however, used his so-called fame to further highlight this issue he is just another concerned resident who had his house broken into it and attended this meeting.

There is no mention in this story that he expects are more idyliic life than anyone else in society.

Like Kev (who knows more facts than he's letting on and has a vested interest) or Ed (who appears to look upon those committing the crimes as victims), it is about looking at the bigger picture and not letting personal beliefs or prejudices afect one's judgement!

Katherine de Gama

Woody, I take it that Eva was just trying to make us smile. Please lighten up.

Woody

I'm as a happy as a bee in a field full of flowers :o)

Katherine de Gama

Hi Eva - sadly I know two people who have worked at the home who have been so unhappy they lasted just weeks - chaotic and unsupportive management. Of course there is no easy answer but I was struck by a posting by a commentator who thought the villagers should do more to involve these poor kids in the community. Demonising them is no way forward. To end on a positive note a friend's foster daughter who was in are for years through no fault of her own has just graduated with a terrific degree.

eva land

[Eva, what he did as an actor makes no bearing on this issue. Yes he is an actor and yes he lives in this village, hence why the Shropshire Star highlighted this fact. He has not, however, used his so-called fame to further highlight this issue he is just another concerned resident who had his house broken into it and attended this meeting.]

So who let the Shropshire Star know and why has it been given so much attention if he and the village are not trying to profit from his celebrity status?

[Eva/Ed – the problem lies with people like you. It does not matter where, when or whom crimes are committed against or indeed where the Children’s home is located.]

I totally agree so it is no problem it staying there then is there?

I haven't clouded the issue, Gill said:

[The fact is that a whole community of professional and manual-working, working and retired, old and young, incomers and families who have farmed here for generations, have come together to vote unaminously that after a decade of upset,]

In other words ordinary people who have no right to push problems on to other ordinary folk as we are all, as you say protected by the same laws in this country.

Unless you are actually suggesting we bring back capital punishment who do you suggest deserves/merits these children as neighbours?

Gary

Perhaps the merits of a Victorian style workhouse would be appropriate instead of lashings of tax payers money funding named clothing, illegal booze and overseas holidays? Agreed its not the fault of these kids, its a fault of todays society. No respect (or tolerance Wenlock Un), unless it is taken in a gang style way with knives and crime.

There were days when a policeman could and would give you a clip around the ear for wrongdoing and the thought of being taken home would mean you only did it the once. The lawyers would love that - alas times move on.

Any answer in this country will never be simple - just expensive and full of holes.

Katherine de Gama

While we are at it perhaps we should bring back debtors' prisons. Of corse I jest. While I am winding you up I must confess I'm a very liberal lawyer!

Wenlock Un

Gary,

Not picking on you personally it's just that we're at complete odds on our perception of today's youth.

Knife wielding gangs are not running amok through this village, rural Shropshire or elsewhere in the country for that matter. No more than I gathered with my friends as bored teenagers, some carrying penknives, in the late 1980's. Some of my generation (and direct social group) went on to indulge in burglary, criminal damage, but it wasn't an entire youth population and fortunately we weren't all stereotyped as they were a minority like today.

I find today's kids are in the main bright, articulate individuals and show far more maturity than my generation ever did. And where not it is often evidently down to the attitudes towards society/authority of their parents (again many probably stemming from my generation).

Respect (and tolerance) is a 2-way street, people should give first, rather than expect to receive or worse still exclude altogether.

Gary

Wenlock - I was referring to the youths and the crime within this article - not a global view. Kids who have been thrown into a life away from the traditional family home. This may because the parents are unable to bring them up or just given up - lots of reasons including ill health. Perhaps sticking to the subject/topic may help you?

Wrt to your inflated comment on knife wielding gangs it may be an idea to pay more attention to the news - 4 teenagers shot in one street in Liverpool last weekend. Not using knives I guess.

Wenlock Un

Gary,

On topic, the only reference to crime I see in the article is the alleged theft of some whisky, which may be the illegal booze you refer to. The overseas holiday was taken by the actor, not these kids?

The rest of the article is a report on a community perception of disturbance, anti-social behaviour and police action at a meeting, not confirmed crime. It doesn't take long to whip up a collective opinion, especially if there's a mutual gain.

As regards your Liverpool incident, you don't say who committed these shootings, it may well be youths from a rival gang, it may be a frustrated adult who was expecting a quieter life in his street.

All the same, maybe we should stay indoors this weekend as clearly from this, these kids are all at it!

eva land

[Hi Eva – sadly I know two people who have worked at the home who have been so unhappy they lasted just weeks – chaotic and unsupportive management]

I work with someone who has worked with a similar set up and left due to lack of respect for the management. You can frequently experience alongside the stringent government rules, extremely poor pay for massive responsibility and panicky leadership but find it is grouped together with unsupporting communities, bad press and seriously dysfunctional clients who more often than not have emerged from those very same unsupporting communities.

Kat de Gama

When I was a member of the town centre residents' assoc there was a lot of concern about the 'night thine economy', which suggests experience of noise, vandalism and fighting. Certainly, I've been burgled, had cars trashed and, despite being tucked away at the end of a shut, had two chained bikes, a potted plant that was too heavy for me to move and, believe it or not, even the house sign stolen. More seriously, we had a spate of arson in the town centre. There have been murders,rapes and very serious assaults, all reported in the local press. To end on a lighter note, my step grandson, who is from inner city London, thinks Shrewsbury is frightening. I suspect he' watched too many episodes of Midsommer Murders

Kat de Gama

PS

My comment has been posted in the wrong place. It refers to a discussion on the press coverage of crime in Shrewsbury town centre.

eva land

[‘night thine economy’]

I thought you were referring to the street pastors who anger and irritate as much as they may help some users of the night time economy.

As there is no true way of assessing their usefulness or otherwise they can pat themselves on the back as doing duty for their God never troubling themselves that they could have made a vulnerable person's situation worse rather than safer.

What the young people (anyone under 35 in my view) say is that the cities like Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham etc are safer than small towns like Shrewsbury, Whitchurch and Wem.

There are places you would avoid in a city but in Shrewsbury trouble is more random and gangs are a form of entertainment for those who are bored or not able to escape the confines of a retirement town.

Dave

I have a similar story.

Whilst on a weekend away, my mother rang in tears to say she had just seen an episode of "The Green Green Grass" starring John Challis. It was that bad I came straight home from my holiday to comfort her.

I was quoted at the time and said:

“Mr Challis had appeared on my mother's TV and immediately caused panic with his one dimensional acting style and in addition there was no David Jason to be seen anywhere".

“The strength of feeling is very strong. We have been going through ever poorer Only Fools and Horses episodes for 10-years. But with the appearance of this show, now the community have had enough, this was the last straw.”

Katherine de Gama

I wonder how welcome John Challis would be at our Nags Heas!

phil

It is all good and well making statements along the lines of "these children need to be taught some respect and discipline" but how on earth do you suggest that simply moving the children to a different area will contribute to this goal? It's not a question of whether moving the children will be of any benefit to society but simply that many in the local community do not want it on their doorstep. In which case they are perfectly happy in leaving the problem with the next town or village that the children are relocated to. Move them to an area with more criminal activity and it is likely that they will be encouraged to engage in such acts more so.

louise

What a shame he had to cut short his luxury break in hawaii. Lets ship the kids far away so they don't disrupt your quiet peaceful lives eh. Ridiculous. Try having some understanding and maybe try and help... or is that too much like hard work? Why help when you could be lay on a beach in Hawaii .

Gary

Lets hope you you take the same view should your house be broken into - or is just sour grapes?

Katherine de Gama

Gary, I don't understand why you equate humanity with envy!!! FYI when I had a spate of burglaries I didn't call for Shrewsbury's homeless population to be moved on.