My encounter with the News of the World

Shropshire public relations consultant JOOLS PAYNE saw the workings of the News Of The World first hand last year when her family was touched by tragedy

Shropshire public relations consultant JOOLS PAYNE saw the workings of the News Of The World first hand last year when her family was touched by tragedy

News of the World political editor, David Wooding, claims the paper’s current newsteam came in “to clean the place up”. He defended the soon-to-be defunct tabloid at the heart of the “hackgate” scandal by declaring that current colleagues were “carrying the can for a previous regime” – insisting there had been wholesale changes to the NotW newsroom staff from five or six years ago.

David Wooding’s defence of his paper and current “decent, hard-working, distinguished journalists” is symptomatic of the institutionalised delusion that has, and continues to afflict NotW and News International personnel.

My own first-hand experience of some of these “decent, hard-working people” is very different to the quaintly, saintly picture of colleagues painted by the deluded Wooding. Let me explain.

Fifteen months ago my son’s girlfriend, Frankie McFall, was murdered by her father, along with her mother, Susan. It was a shocking event that rocked Oswestry and left my only just 17-year-old son reeling in horror, dismay and bewilderment.

Theirs was a very innocent, burgeoning teenage romance; nothing serious but Frankie’s last upbeat message on Facebook, posted just hours before her death at the hands of her deranged father, was one expressing her excitement at attending the school Valentine ball with my son the following evening.

Frankie hadn’t placed any privacy settings on her Facebook page and my son was named in full.

Frankie’s final poignant Facebook message featured heavily in all the media reports. It somehow encapsulated the beautiful 18-year-old’s vivacity and brought into sharp and painful focus the fragility of a young life so cruelly and inexplicably (at the time) snatched away on the cusp of a joyous occasion and bright future.

By mid-morning, within 90 minutes of our being made aware of Frankie’s brutal murder, a “freelance news agency” photographer from way out of our area was hammering on our front door seeking to photograph Max. We politely declined. Another arrived shortly after. Again we declined.

It became quickly apparent that the story was attracting significant press attention – not just the local and regional press but hitting the national media’s buzzers hard too.

I’m a PR consultant. My antenna told me this was going to be huge.

By midday I had Max in my office and together we prepared a very brief statement from him paying tribute to his bright and beautiful friend. At the end of that statement I made it perfectly clear in the “notes to editors” that no further statement would be issued, and that as Max was a minor, no attempt to contact him directly should be made by members of the media.


I prepped him with a one-liner referring all callers to me and I issued the statement for national distribution through a well known Midlands-based news agency.

The rest of that terrible Friday went in a blur. My first priority was to comfort and protect my son as the tragedy unfolded throughout the day. The traumatic circumstances of Frankie’s death piled upon Max’s existing grief at the sudden loss of another much loved 16-year-old girlfriend just six months earlier on the eve of their holiday together. It was hard for me to fathom how this young man, my boy, would cope with two exceptional, emotionally distressing and traumatic events within such a short timeframe.

At 7.45am on Saturday I was awoken by my mobile ringing. This is how the conversation went:

Me: “Hello”

Caller: “Oh, hello Mrs Payne, my name is ‘X’. I’m a PR consultant. I’m calling regarding the terrible news yesterday. I have a client who would like to help your son Max.”

Me: “Oh really? Well I’m also a PR consultant. May I ask who your client is?

Caller: “It’s the News of the World.”

When I had finished laughing at this cynical attempt at reaching my son I was informed by the caller that she would like to talk to Max to write what she described as “a tribute feature to Frankie,” adding, “obviously we are willing to pay Max and I’m sure that a young man like him would appreciate having a decent amount of money. What 17-year-old lad wouldn’t?” . . . or very similar words to that effect.

I politely thanked her for her interest and informed her in no uncertain terms that it was “absolutely out of the question” that Max would speak to her or consider accepting any payment nor would he be adding anything further to the statement issued the previous day.

Throughout the Saturday we were continually pursued by requests from a number of national newspaper journalists and photographers. I was driven to eventually locking a particularly persistent Daily Mail reporter and photographer out of my office in order to shake off their attentions.

Finally, on Saturday afternoon after repeated calls from different journalists at the News of the World, and at least two further calls from the original “PR consultant” I conceded to issuing a recent family photograph of Max to a news agency with the caveat that any further inquiries would prompt a complaint to the PCC.

Unlike Frankie, Max had enabled the privacy settings on his Facebook page but the following five days saw him receive a daily torrent of “friend” requests.

I’m in no doubt that these were from News of the World and other tabloid journalists. The clue being that each new “friend” request showed they had no friends in common. They too, were ignored.

It grated with me that they were still trying to wheedle their way in to my son’s life and trauma at an extraordinarily difficult time for him.

These exchanges plagued me. How had the press got my mobile number? How had they found Max’s address so quickly? Why had that woman purported to be a PR consultant?

What perturbed me most keenly was the thought of how individuals who suddenly find themselves thrust into a crisis situation in full glare of a rabid media, and who are doubtless far less media savvy than I am, might cope with such relentless harassment and subterfuge from tabloid journalists intent on intruding on private grief to satisfy their news editors.

In light of recent revelations regarding the utterly reprehensible behaviour of News of the World journalists commissioning phone hacking by private investigators such as Glenn Mulcair, I can’t help but wonder whether our phones were also hacked into at that time, and also those of Frankie and Sue McFall’s family.

Frankie and Sue McFall’s murder, and Hugh McFall’s subsequent immediate suicide, provoked utter mystification as to why a lovely, seemingly happy family unit, could meet with such a fate.

The media’s insatiable quest for answers in the days following saw many journalists intrude into the lives of people to whom they were most close – family members, neighbours, workmates, school friends and teachers.

Frankie’s headmaster told me he had NotW (and doubtless other newspaper) hacks skulking in bushes in the school grounds and brazenly marching straight into his office demanding comments and answers with impunity.

So when you hear David Wooding bleating plaintively on TV and radio about how the NotW had cleaned up its act and that current colleagues are carrying the can for a previous morally bankrupt regime, take not one jot of notice.

Reprehensible behaviour such as hacking into abducted teenager Milly Dowling’s mobile phone, the families of 7/7 terrorist murder victims, and, it is now alleged, also those of dead soldiers is driven and supported by organisational culture.

And it is an organisation’s leadership that sets and defines its culture. This is particularly true of newsrooms. The culture at the News of the World and further up the organisational structure at News International was one of “results at all costs, whatever it takes” – journalistically, financially, ethically and morally.

I would remind David Wooding that the ethically questionable subterfuge, and harassment my own family endured at the hands of NotW journalists – or their appointed agents – was a mere 15 months ago . . . under the watch of an editor he calls “decent”.

It is inconceivable to me that Rebekah Brooks and frankly, James Murdoch can remain in position. Blinkered delusion and the seismic cultural shift required in the News International organisation cannot be cloaked under a simple re-brand or restructure – a commercially driven sleight of hand that is so very typically Murdoch senior.

Leopard and spots.

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Comments for: "My encounter with the News of the World"


Jools ... I'm sure the vast majority of us cannot begin to imagine the pain and suffering you and your son, as individuals and as a family must have gone through given such such awful tradegies in such a short space of time.

Likewise, few of us can even begin to comprehend to plsgue the beset your lives in the quest for even the merest smidgen of gossip - I wouldn't even begin to call much of the reporting in these instances news.

Sadly I feel many of us are equally guilty of causing some of the distress as it is us, the general public, that buy these newspapers and by default, fund their activities.

Hopefully, if some good is to come out of the recently highlighted events, it will be that the Press Complaints Commission is as much use as a chocolate teapot and the industry cannot be trusted to govern itself - there is more than just one newspaper who will be shaking in their boots right now, waiting to be exposed for their wrong-doings.

May this be the warning shot across the boughs of our local evening papers, many of whom currently strive to emulate the red tops, mistakenly thinking scandal and dross is what people need - get back to qaulity reporting and reap the benefits.

I, and I'm sure all the other commentastors on this forum, wish you and your son all the best for the future and hope Max receives all the help he deserves to come to terms with recent events.

Jools Payne

Thank you Shropsman for your kind best wishes. I concur!


How can you blame all this on NOTW? In your own article you say you received similar treatment from other tabloid hacks. While the situation your son found himself in is utterly horrible, this article just smacks of a PR looking for a little profile-raising. You dealt with a lot of newspapers at that time - not just tabloids either I'm sure.

Jools Payne

What I was trying to achieve in writing the blog post above Dave was to highlight David Wooding's attempt to portray his NotW colleagues as "decent, hard-working, distinguished" journalists in a newsroom that had "cleaned up up its act" as plainly untrue - evidenced by our own experience.

To bombard a traumatised 17 year old boy with relentless calls, text messages and Facebook 'friend' requests over a number of days, is behaviour that is neither decent nor distinguished. Nor indeed, could they possibly be construed as the actions of a collectively reborn ethically sound newsroom - in my ever so humble opinion.

If it "smacks of a PR looking for a little profile raising" to you then I suspect nothing I say here explaining my motives to write that post will reverse that opinion.

That I am a public relations consultant dealing regularly with the print press is a painful irony that has not passed me by, believe me.


As a 'public relations consultant' who claims to work regularly with the print press I'm astonished in that case at the willingness with which you bite the hand that, quite literally, feeds you. Typically of a self-important PR you've shown a woeful understanding of how the press actually works and have decided to tar the NoTW with the same brush as all tabloid journalists to further your own agenda. You do not know the damage your ill-considered words do.


I guess there's a pretty simple solution here: Give up the PR game and stop feeding these terrible papers with the stories, event invites and tip-offs that keep them alive?


Sadly this article I feel doesn't describe NOTW, it describes journalism. They are like any business with sales people... targets, pressure, and the line of what is "decent" is ever moving to stay in a job.

I don't feel Ms Payne is of the same level of this "hacking". Her family was harassed at a sensitive time, but it's not quite the same.

And to be honest she calls into question all journalism. And rightly so. They are predatory. Feeding on grief and strife to sell their newspapers.

But who buys these trashy publications? The public. They fuel this desire. The majority believe anything they read, and more interested in tittle-tattle than true news.

Until the tabloids catering to the uneducated are gone, I fear this blight will continue to hurt our country.

Jools Payne

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to comment Tony. Just to clarify...

I honestly don't believe I've aligned our experience to the same level of "hacking". I'm sorry if you think I had.

I sought merely to refute the notion propogated by David Wooding that there has been a significant cultural shift in the NotW newsroom.

Neither do I call into question "all journalism". Some are more predatory than others.

As of today we're one blight down at least.


So, as upsetting as all this might have been, what you're essentially saying is that the NotW and lots of other newspapers tried to talk to your son about a huge breaking news story (their job).

And you're concerned that they (a national newspaper) managed to get your (a PR professional) mobile number?

Surely if you're a PR worth your salt, most of them will have it anyway, or should be able to get it within a few calls or emails?

I'm confused as to what exactly Mr Wooding and his team have done here that's in any way illegal? Annoying, yes. Perhaps a little over-zealous, yes. And of course, quite upsetting to you and the people involved.

But you're dragging this up as evidence that Mr Wooding and his team are obviously terrible people who are carrying on the NotW's illegal/shady practices?

I'm sure you, as a PR, would know that no journalist has ever uncovered a big story or turned in an exclusive by taking 'no' for a first answer and scurrying back to his desk?

Though having said that, you're right about Murdoch and Brooks. If she knew what was going on, she should be sacked. If she didn't know what was going on as editor of the paper, she should be sacked.

Jools Payne

Paul - I didn't use the term "illegal" anywhere in the above post.

Steve Key

Mrs Payne is upset with the antics of the media, so where does she go to make her feelings known? You couldn't make it up

Jools Payne

For clarification Mr. Key I posted the above blog on Twitter on Thursday afternoon. It received a number of RTs and as a result was picked up by the Shropshire Star who called me on Friday morning requesting my permission to reprint the blog in full.

Mr Cynical

Did the Shropshire Star call you much the same way as News Of The World did by any chance?


Yeah, but funnily enough, this was something she wanted to talk about (and which is in the public interest), so when asked, she agreed, whereas the case in question was a frankly terrifying level of harrassment over horrific traumatic (and very personal) events that she and Max did not want to talk about.


Hi Jools

Thanks for writing this. Sometimes it is difficult to relate to stories about private investigators and Chief Executives of multinational corporations, even families of murder victims. It all seems so distant from our lives. It isn't though - and that the net of disgusting news practices spreads wider than we've already learned needs to be known, and known in detail.

It can't have been easy to write what you have, but I thank you for doing so. I hope Max, you, and the rest of your family are recovering from what you have suffered.

Jools Payne

Jane - you nailed it.

Thank you for your kind comments Jane. Very much appreciated by us all.


LOL at the comments from Paul above! Only a journalist would describe harrassing a 17-year old suffering bereavement as "just doing their job".

I understand that NOTW also wrote at length about how people on benefits have a better lifestyle than those who work, and scorned those who lost their jobs. I guess now is their chance to live their dream life (according to their paper), on the UB40! LOL

Jools Payne

Thanks for taking the trouble to comment Emily.

Hubris indeed!


"Mrs Payne is upset with the antics of the media, so where does she go to make her feelings known? You couldn’t make it up"

Mrs Payne is upset with the antics of the SOME of the media, so where does she go to make her feelings known?

She goes to one of the papers that didn't harass her and her son. One that she clearly doesn't feel is part of the problem.

There are decent journalists and decent editors out there and she's decided to go through a paper controlled by what she feels is one of those decent editors.


While I have the utmost sympathy for a grieving family I do find this article somewhat bizarre.

Here is a woman who makes a living out of spinning stories to publications for maximum financial benefit.

A quote from her website: "Terrier-like tenacity is a terrific attribute in the PR business."

That same terrier-like tenacity by journalists is considered totally unacceptable by Ms Payne.

In this case a major crime had been committed and understandably journalists wanted to talk to anyone who may be able to shed light on what happened.



And Emily, where exactly do you think the newspapers would find their stories if they didn't speak to people involved in these horrible circumstances.

The unfortunate truth is that if journalists don't speak to those involved and speak instead to people far removed from the event, then the public cries foul and points out that it's flawed journalism.

If a journalist tries to speak to those involved, then the public cries foul and suggests it's harassment.

If they don't report the story at all, then they've missed a news story and are thus not doing their job.

Also, Jools, do the Shropshire Star not do death knocks? I'd be surprised if they didn't as it's a huge part of local paper journalism and one that most young hacks are all too keen to move up the ranks and get away from.

I'm fairly sure you've sold your story to a newspaper that does this very thing, albeit on a smaller scale.

But, as was said above, you've managed to carry out the perfect PR stunt of attaching your name to the country's biggest news story. Well done you.


Mrs Payne,please, please ignore some of the hurtful comments on this thread, they are only displaying their utter lack of compassion and common decency.

People like those are the sort who keep the tabloids in business. People want to read the lies and filth they churn out, how they get their so called stories is of little concern to their readership, readers need their daily fix of hate and delusion.

With their intimidation, lies, and deceit, they have for years hounded and wrecked the lives of families and individuals right across the land, on a daily basis, in pursuit of profit and a vicious political agenda.

Hearing some NOTW journalists describe their rag as family newspaper cemented the realisation within me, that these people are utterly deluded and in denial. With its pages filled with gossip, lies and delusion, the rag, along with its sister publication The Sun, was the representation of all that is disgusting, immoral and depraved in society.

Years ago, writing in the observer Henry Porter said that Murdoch and his papers were the main catalyst of ‘yob culture,’ in this country. Now there is a real chance to clear once and for all this stain on all of our lives.

Jools Payne

Bravo Jo! Your incisive analysis is bang on the money.

The deluded denialist David Wooding defends in the NotW again today what he calls "the greatest paper on earth".

Finally, we are seeing a seismic shift in attitude amongst the British establishment towards Murdoch and the malign instruments of influence he has weilded for way too long.

Thanks so much for your kind comments.Truly appreciated.


Congratulations to Paul for raising the cowardly 'only doing their job' defence. You've got a chance at a TV interview if Paul McMullan is unavailable - assuming you are not he.

Jools Payne

Richard - thank you for bringing attention to Mr. Paul McMullen on this thread.

Folks, if you haven't seen a "decent" and "distinguished" NotW journalist colleague of David Wooding's may I respectfully urge you to view BBC2's Newsnight on Friday on iPlayer.

Ray Gingham

Quite. It was quite simply terrible manners to approach this woman's son in the first place. It was even worse manners to continue to harrass him after being requested to stop. Of course the NOTW are to blame, it is obvious. Quite simply, what part of "go away we dislike what you are doing" don't they understand?

J Smith

This looks like a cynical attempt to exploit your son's tragedy and the closure of the NOTW to boost the profile of your PR agency.


There are seamonsters.

They lurk under the waves of an ink black sea. Hardly ever seen, they are dark, mysterious and very powerful. They drag people under. Their tentacles have wormed their way into places you wouldn't imagine. People are frightened of them. Horribly frightened. They are prepared to sacrifice anything even their professional souls to keep the monsters satisfied.

But in the light, out of the depths, they are frail and weak and almost human.

But don't, at your peril, pity them. Their bite, even more likely when cornered, is quite venomous. 200 lost on Friday.

Yes.....I've been to a beer festival.

Jools Payne

Phew...I thought for a minute you were talking about PR consultants...

julian didge

But you issued a press release....and then issued a photo. Er, why are you surprised that the media were interested?


I agree with Paul; they are just doing their job - in this instance. The phone hacking was illegal, and went beyond doing a job.

The public are to blame; if people did not find stories with quotes from the grieving in better than ones without, then the press would not do it. If you think they enjoy death knocks and the like, think again. They don't, at all. But because the public aren't interested in reading simple facts as news, they have to enhance their stories with these quotes. Otherwise, people won't buy their newspapers. And they will be out of work. Blame capitalism if you want.

Jason King

I am sure the Max is delighted that this is all brought up again.


So, Dave, it smacks of a little profile-raising, does it? Let's get beyond the obvious grammatical error and sneering tone, which are clear clues that the comment comes from a journalist. She was someone who was badly affected by the general harassment of the media less than 90 minutes after being told of the murder. I would imagine writing this article was cathartic for her. It also helps readers to understand the nature of tabloid journalism today. You think hacking was confined just to NOTW? Ha - think again.

David Warner

Harassment of victims is the main trade of News of the World. How Tony Blair, David Cameron and even the Archbishop of Canterbury can justify writing guest columns for it I am not quite sure. If the News of the World had been around in AD50 they would have relished reporting Christians being fed to the lions - and showing the tears of the Christians bereaved relatives. Good riddance to ad rubbish. And wake up you pontificating Christians - Commandment number 6 is Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

I undertand Mr Murdoch claims to be a born again Christian. How can he therefore have profitted for 40+ years from a newspaper that destroys people under the hypocritical guise of doing a public service???


I recall the tragedy of the McFall Family and I have nothing but sympathy for everyone involved including young Max Payne.

This piece by his 'PR Consultant' mother, Jools Payne is, it's own way, as manipulative as anything I have read in any tabloid. It smacks of self serving,self promotion. A huge tragedy and reporters looking for information in a pretty up front way. What is wrong with that?

Julie Boylan

Brilliant piece!

Matthew Steeples

I feel for you and your son but you cannot blame the News of the World alone.

The readers of these papers seek out these stories and this is why they publish them. As you say yourself, you are a PR consultant so must use the press to promote your clients and equally you state that it was not the NOTW alone who contacted you. Without readers buying these papers, stories such as these would not be printed.

I offer you and your son my sincere condolences.


Applause for this piece.


From personal experience, I find that most journalists are leeches, who print what they can when they can, so they can please the editor and get their pay cheque. They have disregard for the feelings of individuals as long as they get their two pence in. There are more graceful and diplomatic ways of "earning a living" than harassing people. On the flip side though, famous people who complain about journalism are hypocritical! It is the media that made them famous in the first place, but thats another arguement!!


Jools I can't imagine how you and your son felt on that day. These journalists should feel ashamed of themselves. To ask for an interview once I can understand, but to keep on and on is disgusting.


Mrs Payne made her motives clear from the outset - her critics should read them again. The criticism of her seems to amount to "you're in the same game yourself". So what? I work in mental health and am a fanatical football supporter. Does this mean I can't have an opinion about appalling behaviour by carers or have to keep silent about every disgusting chant sung by football fans, even those of my own club? I'm no flag waver for any so-called "PR Consultant" - a non-job - but the apologists above for the NoW, the tabloid press and its journalists completely miss the point and go some way to explaining why the British press, especially its tabloid version, is unique in the world for being by turns puzzling, derided and despised. On the morning some of the most damning stories were emerging about the hacking issue, the Sun's front page screamed about Rio Ferdinand's sex life!! Says it all about the press and the Murdoch press in particular,

C Robinson

I cannot believe the number of comments here by people accusing Ms Payne. I wonder if those people who wrote them subscribe to the belief that walking alone at night makes a person complicit in their own assault.


Good news, Everybody.

The terror threat level in the UK has been decreased.

It's almost as if one of the biggest threats to democracy has been emasculated in the last week.


Sadly, I doubt the Murdoch machine will ever run out of b*******s.


Sorry, I stopped reading after I read she was a public relations consultant and is therefore well versed in telling 'stories'.

This is turning into a media frenzy that is fastly becoming uninteresting to regular people who believe, like me, that if people in the public eye didn't screw up they wouldn't have anything to hide from 'allegations' against them.

Next story, please...


Read up on the facts.

Was Milly Dowler in the public eye?

Are the widows of dead soldiers in the public eye?

Was Max Payne in the public eye?

Only to the extent that awful things happened to them or those close to them -not as a result of their screwing up- and the NotW pack of dogs descended upon them and committed crimes to get information from them.


Although on a human level I have much sympathy for your son and his loss and sincerely hope he overcomes this, grows strong and moves on... less can be said of the rant about the NOTW.

Sex and scandal sell. Period. So does human tragedy. As a PR girl I simply do not see your point other than hey look at me.

NOTW housed some of the best journalists. Thats why they came to you first. They were on the ball and just like I was reading your piece with interest regarding your son's loss - sorry but it DOES make a good story and yes - I too am interested.

What gets me is the hypocrisy of it all.. Lets all thank the BBC. Their sheer hypocrisy over the current bugging scandal sticks in the throat when you consider how much time they spend sending in undercover investigators, wired with secret recording and filming gear in an effort to bring ' sensational" revelations to our TV screens. Whats more, we have to pay these people for the privillege thru the TV tax licence.

If the NOTW had uncovered the people who have Madeline McCann or solved some other great national crime then would you still be up in arms?

Above all... surely the sympathetic story..."How I helped my son overcome two tragic deaths" is waiting to be written? Sorry but as someone who works in the media myself, I can only question if you feel a double page feature in Chat magazine or the Sunday Times is more up your street - one thing is for sure, the NOTW would have paid the best fee - which of course you would have donated to charity I am sure.


It's over now.

The bad man and his cohorts are going away.

Now, you've just got to sort out your Stockholm Syndrome.


As a former journalist I thought the hacking revelations would bring up some hurtful comments but didn't expect it to lead on to abuse of my current role in PR.

I help sole traders raise their profile to survive the recession and much of my work is for charities - who I do not charge.

But it's fine, be judgemental, horrible and make people upset with your opinions....makes you much nicer than journalists......


I think pieces like this bringing home what contemporary journalistic practices mean to people like ourselves. I applaud Jools for an honest and articulate piece on an issue of great importance. In light of some rude comments (a common issue on newspaper sites these days alas), I'd like to thank her for telling us about this, and wish her and her son the best.

Niall Gibbons

Its interesting to read these comments from afar and looking back at home . I'm a Drayton lad who now lives in the bastion of the gossip/turgidpitof this type jounalism..... Los Angeles . The most common accusation i see aimed at Jools is either the 'just doing their job , public right to know , aren't you on PR anyway? ' series of lines .

Just doing their job does not count as confronting and harassing a family that is involved in a tragedy . Investigative journalism maybe .... even of Mr Murdoch and the NotW may count more in the public interest i feel . My father died as the result of a car/truck smash and if some twerp had come at me with the attitude that these hacks had .. noses would have been broken !

The public right to know ? Now this is the Twerper generation and the sleaze pedlars talking . No , you do not have the right to know about my private life no matter who i am . What does any footballers infidelities etc etc have to do with you ? Does it make you happy to know that even with money and fame their life can be as troubled or complicated as yours . Now do you feel better that your life on a council estate etc as loser can be justified with a sneer because so n' so's marriage is crumbling ?

PR is what it says on the tin . Its not about doing anything that the client doesn't want or know about . For cryibg out loud , the company i work for has PR agents . it lets other people know about new products , expansions , what we've achieved ...... not the pain of someone in our companies lives after a family loss.

To kind of sum it up . I had a TV camera shoved in my face a year or so ago at LAX by a news crew asking inane BS , and i said no , go away . They were stunned and informed me i would be on TV all over LA . They were confused by my reply of that i didn't want to be .

If "fame" is at the price of pain , you can keep it . The biggest problem is that to many just see that pain as a reality TV show now . Like the Casy Anthony trial here recently . Its not about anything more than entertainment at any cost , even YOUR suffering.

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