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English Defence League in threat to county events over ‘Christmas’
Wednesday 3rd November 2010, 12:16PM GMT.
A right-wing group has threatened £500,000 action against councils in Shropshire if they hold any festive events that do not contain the word Christmas in the title.
The English Defence League has written to all major councils in the country – including Shropshire and Telford & Wrekin – warning them not to “lose the meaning of Christmas”.
The group is threatening repeat demonstrations in towns and villages it believes to be ignoring its advice.
Events that may be deemed to breach the EDL threat include Christmas lights switch-ons, pantomimes and nativity plays.
In the letter, sent from the party head office and seen by the Shropshire Star, the EDL says: “As I’m sure you are aware Christmas is a long-established tradition in British history and indeed other cultures and religions and dates back as far as 400AD.
“Please keep Christmas as Christmas and not let our culture and traditions be eroded and preserve English values.
“Any council that does not keep the word Christmas in the annual celebrations and opts for Winter Festival, out of the politically correct appeasement of others to the detriment of our traditions, will have their town visited by the English Defence League throughout the following year.
“The average cost to the council is £500,000 when the English Defence League de-monstrates at any given loc-ation and it is hoped this will be avoided by your council keeping the word Christmas alive. Do not lose the meaning of Christmas by changing it to Winter Festival.”
Telford & Wrekin Council confirmed it had received the letter, and had passed it onto the police.
A Telford & Wrekin Council spokesman said: “This is a generalised letter to all local authorities and there is no specific reference to Telford & Wrekin.
“As a matter of routine procedure, we have passed the letter to West Mercia Police for information. We are happy that Christmas celebrations will proceed in the borough as normal.”
Shropshire Council said it would not be advising coun-ty events to alter their titles.
A Shropshire Council spokesman said: “Any events held by the council are named whatever is deemed most appropriate and suitable by the organisers.”
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I personally think we lost the meaning of Christmas a long time ago due to mass consumerism.
But this is just as ridiculous a story as those ‘banning christmas’ stories. Its all publicity for minority groups wanting a bit of media attention.
And anyway, who are the English Defence League defending us against exactly? I’m not aware that the Welsh and the Scots are building some sort of secret invasion force?
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This is what happens when lazy tabloids looking for an easy story publish the same “Christmas has been banned/renamed” rubbish every year. That’s on top of them giving endless negative publicity about Muslims. That’s where the English Defence League comes from: thick people reading trashy tabloid headlines.
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ed , what a load of cobblers , this does happen , the lefty local councils do bow down to political correctness and do try to rename christmas eg Birmingham Council was going to remane it Winterville and that is a fact , nothing to do with reading trashy tabloids .
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No it doesn’t happen. Winterval was an idea in Birmingham in which the city council decided that instead of staging separate events for Christmas, Hanukkah, Diwali and Eid al-Adha, with all the resulting logistical problems, they were going to have a season of celebrations lasting a couple of months so as to include all the different religious holidays.
Christmas was still going to be called Christmas and was going to be at the heart of the festivities. There were still Christmas lights, trees, Santa’s Grotto, Nativity plays, etc, etc, etc.
This was in ’97/’98. The right wing tabloids got hold of it and suddenly it became “Birmingham City Council is replacing Christmas with Winterval!”. And ever since then, about this time of year when the tabloids are short of things to write, they resurrect that story and anything else they think is like it.
Some town had a festival called Luminos, which involved lots of lights. The tabloids said it was PC gone mad and they’d replaced Christmas. Trouble is Luminos was in November.
Or when a school had to postpone a panto from December till January and the tabloids said the school had banned a Nativity play because it offended ethnic minorities.
It’s all rubbish, people believe it, get angry and join things like the EDL, that then protests against something that never happened and threatens to shut down town and cities at Christmas if they do the thing that no-one has done or will do.
Remember on Coronation Street when Deirdre Barlow went to prison for a crime she didn’t commit? There was a massive campaign that went to the Home Secretary and Prime Minister to get her released: a fictional person. These “They’re banning Christmas” stories are the same thing and have the same effect.
What you have is thousands of people who believe in a fairy tale threatening towns and cities, as a result of believing what rubbish tabloids print.
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The Scots,Welsh and English all Back This 100%.The Working Class People of Britain are Sick of Changes Being Made for The Benefit of Other Races from Other Countries.This Is Fact…We Don’t Count When it comes to British Peoples Best Interests.We’re at The Bottom of the Ladder..There’s A Hell of A lot Of Good Decent Muslims but Like Anything The Bad Ones Give them A Bad Name just like the Idiots who do Nazi Salutes..These Idiots r the Minority..The Sharia Law in Britain..It’s Inhumane..The Government have to start Putting British People 1st..They’re A joke.FACT.
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Please don’t lump me in with agreeing 100%, I might be English and working class but I don’t agree or support bullying and threatening behaviour.
PS what’s with all the capitals?
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I think he has his wires crossed.
“The Working Class People of Britain are Sick of Changes Being Made for The Benefit of Other Races from Other Countries”
Followed by…
“the Idiots who do Nazi Salutes”
And…
“The Government have to start Putting British People 1st”
So he brings race into this, apparently doesn’t think Muslims are British (they are “races from other countries” presumably), but doesn’t like Nazis either. The idea that race equals nation and that the state should work for the benefit of the nation-race IS Nazism.
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preposterous
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That’s one less on the ‘Winterval’ invite list then.
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LOL
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Too right I totally agree with this, Shrewsbury should be an interesting one then, most of the EDL members here are in the EBF.
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“Most of the EDL members are here in the EBF”. Well doesn’t that just speak volumes about them then? You’ll be telling me they’ve learnt how to eat using cutlery next.
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THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE, I AM A MEMEBER OF THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE AND MOST OF THE SHROPSHIRE MEMEBERS DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE EBF!!!
WE are not football realated and come from all walks of life, to class us as football hooligans is disgusting and any real EDL member would not do this!!!!
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here here lea iam also a member. iam also an ex police officer not a football hooligan i do this for the sake of my granchildren! islamification of this country is a real threat! far to many people are burying there heads in the sand! EDL ARE HERE TO STAY thank god,
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“iam also an ex police officer”
…why doesn’t that surprise me?
Why did you leave – did they bring in a literacy test?
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Yeah, I hate that lot too, with their silly manicured grass. In fact the only people I hate more than the English Bowling Federation are the Federation of English Bowlers!
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what about the Judean Peoples Front or the Peoples Front Of Judea………………………SPLITTERS
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I’m all for remembering the true meaning of Christmas, I’m just a little puzzled as to why the EDF is so defensive about the celebration of the birth of a little Jewish baby in Israel? ;-)
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But surely Jesus is Caucasian, I’ve seen the pictures! :)
Judging from some of the recent comments on this site some of the EDL/EBF have learnt to actually read and write which comes as a surprise!
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I doubt that mate, I reckon they found a ghost writer.
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HaHa! Good point
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The churches must be packed every Sunday morning with St George cross (or is it stone island) wearing ‘EDL knights’ and their dogs called Ghostface.
As mentioned above Jesus was reputedly born in the Israel / Palestine area.
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Yes, all dressed up in their sunday best, the burqa hoodie.
Check it out on their web site shop, you couldn’t make it up if you tried. It’s obviously to hide their identity as they are all too thick to be embarrassed or understand irony.
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Thank Goodness someone is standing up to the Winterval crew, do people really care if we mention Christmas, after all I don’t have a fit of the vapours if someone mentions Ramadan or Diwali.
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I am surprised we are allowed to use the word christmas as we are always being told what we can say or do in OUR OWN country
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care to give an example?
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Just go out and buy a copy of the Daily Mail on any given day. Its full of examples. ;-)
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the daily Mail you say?
It must be true then
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The banning of Christmas is just another story put about by certain sections of the Tabloid press, when you actually look at it Christmas has never been banned. Perhaps we should ban the EDF instead.
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ban EDF? that’s an energy supplier, how would we power the Christmas light then?
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Let them demonstrate then I can go and throw rotten squashy fruit at them or maybe rock hard coconuts.
Hee Hee.
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rather you than me for one thats a criminal act and two there demos attract upwards of 5000 people but feel free theres a fruit stand in town and theres a demo in nuneaton on the 27th of nov put you money where your mouth is.
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The EDL has never at any point attracted more than 2000 people to a demo – Bolton and Newcastle. All of its demos except Newcastle have resulted in EDL violence and so far there have been over 200 EDL arrests at the dozen or so demos it has had. As for criminal acts, I think GBH, criminal damage, possessing an offensive weapon, assault, inciting racial/religious hatred and throwing bricks, scaffolding poles, drainpipes, smoke bombs, glass bottles and breeze blocks are probably considered more serious than throwing squashy fruit.
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Newcastle was the demo the ultra violent (socialist worker backed) UAF did not go to by the way folks
and that’s what the problem is even the police are saying the trouble starts with the UAF (that’s Ken Livingstones UAF take them out of the equation and you just have working class people exercising there right to free speech
70% of arrests are UAF fact
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@David Marshall. The UAF were in Newcastle; there were 1000 of them there and no arrests on either side. 75 anti-fascists went to Aylesbury when there were 800 EDL there. The EDL were violent (the anti-fascists were nowhere near them)there were 12 arrests, all EDL, 8 of which were for possession of offensive weapons.
Also incidents such as Stoke, Bradford, Dudley (both times) and Leicester have shown that the EDL will simply attack the police and any passers by, even when anti-fascists are not attacking them and when they have no provocation.
The police said the trouble started with the UAF at BOLTON ONLY, at no other point have they said that. At other demonstrations they have said the UAF had been entirely peaceful. And don’t get the idea that those who oppose the EDL are are only the UAF and aren’t working class either. Many different groups made up of people from many different backgrounds oppose the EDL.
The EDL’s freedom of speech includes attacking bystanders in cars, smashing shops, attacking a Hindu temple, assaulting police officers, attacking people in restaurants and smashing car windows apparently. It also includes inciting religious and racial hatred, and calling for people whose freedom of speech you object to to be killed.
As for the “70% of arrests are UAF fact” claim, well the figures speak for themselves.
Birmingham
35 in total for both sides
Birmingham
45 EDL, c.45 anti-fascists
London
0 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Manchester
36 EDL, 12 anti-fascists
Leeds
9 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Nottingham
11 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Stoke-on-Trent
25 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
London
2 EDL, 48 anti-fascists
Bolton
9 EDL, 55 anti-fascists
Dudley
12 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Aylesbury
12 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Newcastle
0 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Dudley
21 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Bradford
13 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Oldham
8 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
London
1 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Nuneaton
1 arrest in total for both sides
Leicester
17 EDL, 0 anti-fascists
Total EDL arrests = 221 to 256 Total anti-fascist arrests = 161 to 196
So between 57% and 58% of arrests are EDL: fact.
Those are the reported figures. Most UAF arrests happened at Westminster and Bolton: none have been arrested since Bolton, back in March. The same cannot be said for the EDL!
It’s also worth noting that the 48 anti-fascists arrested in Westminster were arrested for obstructing the highway (a sit-down protest blocking the path of the EDL), whereas EDL members are usually arrested for violent behaviour, inciting religious hatred or possessing offensive weapons. Also out of the 9 EDL and 55 UAF arrests in Bolton only 4 people faced charges – 2 from both sides.
Additionally the Westminster and Bolton demos are actually extraordinary for the disproportional numbers of anti-EDL protesters arrested, 103 combined, compared to all the other demos that only come to 93 anti-EDL arrests at the most. If we take them out and between 73% and 79% of the remaining arrests at ALL the other protests are EDL.
The cost of the EDL’s demos (remember if they weren’t there the UAF/MDL wouldn’t be there either) comes to about £4.5 million so far.
That’s only including all the known costs, not loss of business and some council and policing bills.
So the EDL have cost the UK taxpayer FOUR AND A HALF MILLION POUNDS, have caused widespread chaos and destruction, have had well over TWO HUNDRED ARRESTS and have achieved what precisely? They haven’t prevented any terrorist attacks (the State can handle that without them) and they haven’t made people aware of 9/11 or 7/7. So the point of the EDL is what exactly? A big booze up, racist chanting and a fight. A bit like football hooligans…. did I say ‘like’ football hooligans? It’s worth mentioning that much of the EDL’s membership are football hooligans and their divisions are based largely on the local hooligan gangs.
So, that’s what democracy EDL style is. “We’ll smash your towns up and intimidate you until you do what we say”.
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It’s funny how the EDL always drag the UAF into any discussion about how violent the EDL are. I think they assume any criticism of the EDL comes from “ultra-violent commie Unite Against Fascism” members, so they think that counter-attacking against the UAF’s reputation is a good tactic. See, I’m none of those things. I just don’t like bullies and the EDL are bullies.
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So the “English Dancing Ladies” and the “Electric Bottom Fairies” are going to kick off just because a few pagans wish to celebrate the winter solstice and the passing of yule. Don’t you think your energies could be put to better use by helping out the homeless and destitute over this dark, cold period within the calendar? I presume you will all be at midnight mass as you are all such devoted christians?
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It’s easy to poke fun at this bunch of morons and their racist nonsense, but we should look to history for our warnings. The far right always take advantage of economic turmoil, gaining support amongst the educationally-challenged to carry out their bullying of minorities. Look at the troubles casued by Mosley’s Blackshirts in the 1930s.
In the end this sort of nonsense rarely thrives, but whilst we may understand that these people are clearly too stupid to understand that Christianity, Judaism and Islam all hve similar Abrahamic roots, we have no room for complacency.
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i am 100% behind the edl on this. why should in not just stay called Christmas, all the edl are doing is standing up for our rights and values , for far to long we have been treated like 2nd class in our own country.
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Try telling that to our muslim friends
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peter again you show your ignorance these people are ordinary working class people did Hitler have a gay division or a Sikh division. I know he had close links with the grand mufti of Jerusalem and the pope of the time. Is Islam more Arabic in its construction did Jesus turn his back on the house of Abraham you make it sound so simple just to suit your lack of knowledge both modern and historical If anybody wants to judge the edl then they must judge each member Individually and there are upwards of 50,000 now and you will find the right wing but you will find the housewife the worker the soldier the homosexual the young and the old tall and the small and stereotyping them just to suit your stupid neo Marxist agenda.
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So an assortment of the right wing and the just plain gullible and stupid then… rather like the BNP.
Perhaps you, or any other of the supporters of this odious bunch could furnish us with just one documented, verifiable instance of there a council has banned a Christmas event? Perhaps you could also give an example where someone of another non-Christian faith has objuected to a Christmas event?
I await your reply with interest.
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Hitler had an SS division from India, which did almost certainly contain Sikhs. Ernst Roehm, the head of the SA, was gay as were probably many other Nazis. So yes, Hitler had Sikh and gay allies. The EDL doesn’t actually have a Sikh ‘division’, it has Guramit Singh who is a racist (he calls for Muslims to burn in hell and calls people P*kis). I mean where is this Sikh Division other than on Facebook? It’s never visible at any demos. The EDL’s gay division is also hardly very prominent. The EDL’s Jewish, gay and Sikh divisions’ Facebook groups are mostly made up of people who aren’t those things.
There are approximately 30 different things the EDL has in common with the early Nazi Party, as in pre-Third Reich.
Also the EDL’s lineage, based on the fact it was founded by BNP members, goes English Defence League; British National Party; National Front; League of Empire Loyalists; British Union of Fascists. There is a direct lineage going back to Oswald Mosley and through him to Hitler.
The Pope of the time condemned Hitler and the Nazis murdered a great number of the Catholic clergy in Poland. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an insignificant statesman, about as relevant as saying that Nazism was Christian if Hitler had allied himself with the Grand Duke of Luxembourg.
Your leader Tommy Robinson was photographed at a BNP meeting at which Richard Edmonds, an anti-Semitic organiser for the BNP and NF, was giving a speech. Edmonds denies the Holocaust ever happened. Also there was John Pater, a member of the openly neo-Nazi November 9th Society. The BNP are neo-Nazi and Tommy Robinson was a member and attended meetings by open neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers.
Your other leader Kev Carroll says he nominated a member of the BNP to stand as a local councillor “by accident”, despite having “never heard of” the BNP, and although he’d “never heard of” the BNP (but was happy to nominate complete strangers from parties he’d never heard of), he asked if they were a racist party. Why would he ask if they were racist if he’d never heard of them before? A bit of an odd question under the supposed circumstances! Oh yes, and to demonstrate he’s “not racist”, when confronted with the above evidence in a TV interview he phoned a (very humiliated) black girl to come and appear with him in the interview. He said he wasn’t racist because she was his daughter. Actually as it seems like she’s his step-daughter, that proves absolutely bugger all. He also lied about there being no playground facilities for white kids, only Muslims.
Both your leaders have been involved in neo-Nazism, as have a few other high-ranking EDL members.
Islam borrows heavily from Judaism, has Jesus and the Angel Gabriel as major figures in its philosophy and follows the God of Abraham. It is an Abrahamic faith, regardless of what nonsense you wish to believe.
The EDL does not have 50,000 members; it has 50,000 people on its Facebook group (real life and Facebook as explained above are quite different). Many of those people are actually people with more than one profile, anti-EDL trolls, or people who were curious for 5 minutes or were invited and joined, but don’t have any real interest in the EDL and probably don’t even go on the group. As the EDL has never managed more than 2000 people at an event and about 700 – 1000 at the last three, that gives an idea as to the numbers of active EDL.
In my experience the idea that the EDL is a general reflection of the demographics of society is a mixture of propaganda and wishful thinking. The EDLers who make their opinions known tend to be racist, violent or religious maniacs. You get the odd one who genuinely is concerned about Islamic extremism, but most aren’t. On the EDL Facebook group topics of conversation involve the persecution and killing of Muslims (the admins do not delete these), hatred of immigrants and regurgitating what it says in the Daily Mail and Daily Star and getting into a rage about it. Which of course sparks off more hatred against Muslims and other minorities. Even on here we can see that. One of the admins said the EDL were going to take Leicester back for white indigenous people.
Then finally we have the stereotyping of opponents, as demonstrated by yourself and others (ironic seeing as you accuse others of stereotyping you). These are always the following:
1. Opposition is “Neo-Marxist”
2. They want Britain to become an Islamic state
3. They are all students with no life experience
4. They are filthy and don’t wash
5. They support paedophilia
6. They are ignorant and haven’t “woken up”
7. They are “dhimmis” who want to be dominated by Islam
That is generally what the EDL say about anyone who questions them. Of course it’s as true as saying the EDL are all hardcore neo-Nazis (although there is probably more truth in that). There is no “Neo-Marxist agenda” here, just people like you trying to create an “enemy” against which you must fight to “save” Britain.
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Ed, I know a Sikh who has issues with Muslims. But then, as Muslim ‘friends’ and neighbours murdered his entire family and all the other Sikhs in the town on the orders of an imam, then he would seem to have good grounds for having these issues.
Your attack on Singh seems to be born out of ignorance.
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“did Hitler have a gay division or a Sikh division”?
A number of senior nazis were gay (most famously the SA leader Ernst Rohm) and there was an Indian Legion in the German army.
Any your point is?
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or even “anyway your point is?”
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I think his point is “We aren’t bigots, because we have Sikhs and gays in the EDL”. Doesn’t stop the EDL from being bigoted against Muslims though does it? In fact “Muslim” seems to be a general term for an Asian anyway.
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I am happy to support the EDL with this if they would just do the little thing of proving to me that the whole Christmas story is actually true & not a religious myth! Perhaps pagans will file a counter claim because we are not celebrating the winter festival long before the so called ‘traditional’ Christmas was integrated into it.
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I think that if Jesus were alive today he would be pretty appauled at people behaviour across the races.
Christmas is what you want it to be, some people go all out and others just want a bit of peace and quite.
It’s a time to celebrate not start a ruckus ending in mostly being banged up in a cell.
I saw first hand the EDL when I went to Newcastle upon Tyne in May and it was just an excuse to stand and shout incoherent rubbish.
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Agreed on all points.
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happy hanaka all xx
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Why don’t you people grow up and start looking at the bigger picture instead of seeing things through your rose tinted glasses or worse enabling the erosion of Briatians traditions. Its not big and its not clever trying to belittle people who support the EDL. These people have life experiences that you no nothing about, you are in fact the uneducated morons.
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Priceless! I assume people who can think and write coherently are banned from the EDL?
If you can actually spell ‘Britain’ are you still allowed to join?
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Priceless! I assume people who can think and write coherently are banned from the EDL?
Kath can i just ask you something? are you so passionate about the English written word, that you would pick upon and chastise anyone that ‘heaven forbid’ should inadvertently submit a response with a spelling mistake? why not go in for the kill and have the fellow hung drawn and quartered because he omitted, say, a comma, full stop, or in this case an apostrophe. if indeed you were so passonate about our written langage, you would have realised before you submitted your own educated response, that the correct spelling for “Briatians” should be, Britaian’s and not “Britain” as you so eliquantly put it.
Here’s an example of how your sugestion is also incorrect.
Celtic- (the erosion of Briatians traditions). incorrect spelling, correct grammar.
Your attempt- (the erosion of Britain traditions). correct spelling, incorrect grammar.
“the erosion of Britain’s traditions” I think we can all agree that this is correct.
Come on Kath we are all passionate about our English heritge or we should be, and we can all make mistakes. Oh’ and yes, I am a member of the EDL, and proud of it.
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Oh dear, richie, do calm down. I never pick people up on their grammar and spelling unless they do something really stupid like calling others ‘uneducated morons’ in a post full of gobbledygook.
(That’s why I’m not correcting your spelling mistakes ;) )
I didn’t say that ‘Britain’ was the correct spelling for Britainians or whatever he wrote – just enquired whether being able to spell such a word disqualified people from the EDL.
It does seem to be full of the educationally-challenged.
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That should be “hanged, drawn and quartered”. tsk tsk…
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They need not worry. Our present lady mayor has got an obsession with forcing the ‘true’ meaning of xmas down our throats and she is going to make sure that we all have nativity themed winter solstice.
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EDL ALL WAY EE EDL
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I rest my case.
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This comment really says it all! What an idiot.
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I for one will support the EDL whole-heartedly with this. Regardless of our personal faith and views, this is a Christian country and our traditions should be upheld!!!! Political Correctness has gone too far!!
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i agree with you lizzylip well said
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A commonly put forward untruth is that this is a Christian country. It is not. Our head of state is also head of the Anglican church but that does not make us a Christian country. Many of our laws and traditions have origins in Christianity but many originate elsewhere. This is a secular nation in which – apart from a few bishops in the House of Lords – the church does not have a say on affairs of the state. That the majority who claim to have a religion may cite Christianity is therefore irrelevant.
Those who often leap to the defence of our “Christian heritage” often seem to do so for less than decent or honest reasons. The EDL are among this group. I suspect they have no real interest in preserving some mythical ideal of Christmas but merely want to cause trouble and mischief.
Personally I have no religious convictions and in an alternative debate would offer strong opinions on the role of faith and the need for a God. This, though, is less to do with faith (a pagan festival, hijacked by Christians and then monopolised by commerce) and more to do with a season of intended goodwill being targeted by those who promote hatred, ignorance, fear and distrust. It would be nice if the threatened councils took up the challenge of policing EDL demonstrations at such a high financial price to their electorate…and then billed the EDL for the cost they have admitted they will cause.
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Simon people protest for lots of reasons do we charge everybody and the main reason there is trouble is because of the UAF who take it on themselves to disrupt the demos and then play the victim. so what your saying is freedom of speech is not free or you just don’t like the EDL in either case all you have proved to the Shropshire star readers is your are incapable of commenting on the subject of the post without lashing out at a group you do not understand, typical left wing dogma.
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Sorry, but this is not a Christian country anymore. If you separate the population into religions then you’ll find that us atheists are the majority. Have you ever researched the Christmas story or do you just follow it blindly? At the first scrutiny it falls apart into the collection of myths & propaganda that it is. I suggest you look at the origins of the gods Mithras or Horus, you might just find some similarities there that make the Christmas story a little less original.
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Has it, or is that just what the Daily Mail says?
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just as well it wasn’t the bnp by all reports they’ll be bankrupt before xmas…..
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Looks like you’ve used a photo from the “Carols in the Square Concert” – Is that going to have to be re-named to comply.
The whole thing is nonsense.
Why are you giving the EDF publicity?
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I wonder how many of the EDL are actually christians os even follow a religion? If not they shouldn’t be bothered as Christmas is predominantly a Christian celebration.
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iam EDL and a practising catholic! and i speak for many iam not violent nor am i a thug! as for your pathetic name excuses defence league! GROW UP!
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“iam EDL and a practising catholic!”
You know what they say – practice makes perfect!!
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i am 100% behind the edl on this , what is so bad about keeping it as Christmas . all they are doing is standing up for our rights. for far to long we have been treated like 2nd class in our own country
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For pity’s sake, no-one’s stopping you! No-one’s banning Christmas! Are you all hypnotised or brainwashed or something?
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Under what law do the Council have to use the word Christmas when holding winter events,lizzylip gloss?
EDL are pathetic.
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Just the EDL trying to be important, a bunch of soccer thugs and Mr Potato Heads have never represented my views. Most of this ‘offends minorities’ clap trap is from the gutter press.
Multiculturalism makes this country a vibrant, lively place to live. I would hate to think what it would be like living in a place that reflects the EDL’s view of English culture… maybe its like Harlow
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sharia law and Islamic radicalisation and the Islamification of certain citys are the issue with the edl jon you just have not got a clue about Isalm have you you can not see past your own stupid idealism try telling that to the gay community in london try telling that to the sihk community in tower hamlets or the west Indian community on the lozzels rd or the white community of allum rock oh and the jews im sure they will jump up defend you. stick your head back in the sand I have no further comments to make.
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Christmas is Christmas and the attempts by the twisted left over the years to destroy any trace of tradition was a disgrace. Let the anti Christian socialist hypocrites have their winterval and the rest of the decent population in England can enjoy Christmas!
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You have to hand it to these lads at least there proud of what they are Ive worked alongside a few of the lads in the EDL and they come from all ethnic backgrounds and this myth that they are right wing is pure fantasy drummed up by a handful of classroom socialists and left wing idiots. Well done to the EDL for defending our culture.
As an atheist you would think I would be against Christmas but I would be offended if anybody changed it as in all fairness it is for everybody whatever your background and if its not for you don’t get involved do something else but don’t alter or force a alterative on others.
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So people could be peacefully enjoying some event like ‘Carols in the Square’and some bunch of knuckle-dragging yobs could turn up shouting abuse and wrecking the occasion because the name doesn’t include the word ‘Christmas’ ?
How extremely traditionally-British Christian of them.
Sometimes I think we should bring back bear baiting (volunteers dressed up, I know we could find some) and herd all these drivelling idiots in to shout and grunt to their hearts’ content and leave normal people alone.
‘Christmas’ bear-baiting, of course.
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that just wins the most stupid comment of the day.
winterville is banned live with it
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‘winterville’ – that’s a new one on me. I’ve heard of Winterval but I don’t think it’s ever caught on.
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” bunch of knuckle dragging yobs ” and ” herd of drivelling idiots ” may suggest that you’ve already had the odd night out in Shrewsbury..
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So you dont want EDL to interupt celebrations but ur happy for us to re name Christmas to suit others? Yep makes sense.
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The Christmas celebration is real Dan, Banning the word Christmas is in your head………..thats the difference..
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How can anyone be against the EDL here they are right, if all you people moanin give in then other cultures destroy Britain and in 20 years time when we are being told what to do will you turn around and say I did nothing to stop this? Wake up.
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Has anyone on this thread ever actually been told they can’t call it Christmas or is this all based on stories in the newspaper..
Also, i’m not sure about the picture of the carols in the square containing the statue of one of histories most celebrated racists.
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Right, to clear a few things up the edl are not racist, they are trying to change the way the goverment bows down to islamists, maybe a few of you on here, who are siding with extremist muslims should realise there are blacks, jews, sikhs gays etc in the edl and the image the media portrays of them being right-wing is total nonsense. please read the edl website you may actually agree. and i am mixed race.
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The EDL is a group of patriots who want to see the British culture and civilization not give way to islamofascism and all of the horror that it entails. EDL is the greatest hope for Britain and its future. Surely, you people are not unaware of creeping sharia? As an American who loves my country I stand united in spirit with the EDL as I understand their mission. Diversity is a wonderful model for a country. However, the islamofascists are not interested in diversity; they want to overcome your wonderful country. Wake up.
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Let me guess – Tea Party supporter?
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@ KATH Let me guess , left wing uaf supporting hippy !
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Since when has being black or gay been a religion?
Christmas is a big party for children and quite frankly childhood is a stage at which cults, religions and any other kind of elitist group with a fictional parent figure at the top chooses to remain in.
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If you aren’t sure what an EDL protest event looks like, this freelance photographer has covered a few…
Carols in the square anyone:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixel-eight/4299149068/in/set-72157623270433772/
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Julian, what is your point?
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Fairly obvious Mary, if you followed the link.
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My point Mary, is that you’d be pushed to find an event more typically British/English than Shrewsbury’s carols in the square. It is for families to get together and sing and enjoy the time of year. If the EDL use the fact that ‘Christmas’ is not in the title as an excuse to smash the place up, they would be anything but patriots and they would any support they may have here.
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I don’t care about what the EDL, UAF, EBF, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu etc etc think or say. Or how commercialized it has become.
Christmas is suppose to be a time of families getting together, children getting excited and supposedly goodwill to all, which differs to the rhetoric on here.
Forget the facts and figures, forget the intolerance of others and enjoy Christmas for what it is, without the need for the PC brigade to rename it for others to get heated about it. Millions, if not billions just enjoy it for what it is….
I look forward to Ebenezer Scrooge paying you all a visit, if you want to be miserable, would you please be quiet!
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before you judge us have a look at the facebook site try to understand these people I know its difficult for you to understand but there are as many women on this site as men it is a section of the community not a right wing group 40,000 people can not be wrong and each day it grows it has triggered a world wide response there are groups springing up in France Denmark India Indonesia America Australia Holland Turkey and Ireland there is a growing concern regarding Islam and how it Interacts with mainstream society the trouble with our opponents is they will say a single word on the subject they prefer to turn a blind eye to the problem do so if you wish but there is a hell of a lot of people who will not 99% of daily star readers who responded to a survey backed what the edl was doing its only the classroom socialists who cause a lot of trouble the g8 summits would be a good example who disagree if you are neutral to this issue go on the site and say hello and see for your self they are normal people workers, housewives and a broad section of society judge please do but make that judgement based on your own findings and not on the views of a few middle class elitist wannabe Marxists who tend to think that they and they alone speak for the people
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“99% of daily star readers who responded to a survey backed what the edl was doing”
That’s an unbeatable argument in their favour then….
Just out of curiosity, how many of those who buy the Daily Star can truthfully be described as “readers”?
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“40,000 people can not be wrong”
Oh yes they can!
The EDL is attempting to do to the flag of St George what the BNP and National Front have tried with the Union Jack. Have a look at the Wikipedia entry for the organisation for some idea of what it is really about.
I live here, pay my taxes here and vote here but I am not English, and I find the idea of this so-called “defence of English traditions” offensive. If you genuinely value traditions then celebrate and share them so we can all enjoy them.
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“40,000 people can not be wrong”
Hmmm, do you mean that? I wonder how many extremist Muslims you think there are in this country – more than 40,000?
Goodness, I bet that many support Spurs!
“99% of daily star readers who responded to a survey …”
You do realise that could mean that 10 people responded and a 9.9 Daily Star readers agree with you? That’s if the survey was in pictures, of course, otherwise they were proably stabbing blindly with the wrong end of their pencil, they could have hit anything.
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OK so I had a look at the Facebook group. Nice bunch. Here’s a quote:
“a message to all female members they will not be allowed to attend bradford demo aleadership meeting decision has beenmade afterall regional organisers have put forwarded their concerns of safety.this decision must be respected.adhereing to the correct chain of command is absoloutly vital to ensure our survival.many thanx kevin carroll&tommy robinson ”
Yeah, sign me up for that chain of command right now.
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Yeh Because of the threat of attack from the UAF not the EDL you are clueless you remarks on here are pathetic, your English yet your jst rolling over to demands. Your a joke.
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What a great pity that our country has been reduced to the state where extremist organisations like the EDL find a fertile soil for their outrageous views. Just in case any one of their supporters forget, we live in a western liberal democracy where each and everyone of us has the solution for implementing, changing or reversing polices which we like / dislike. It’s called the ballot box and if that doesn’t bring about the change that one requires then the option is to form a political party that will. The EDL is not a political party, it is a deliberately provocative, socially disruptive, gaggle of rabble rousers and the more I read some of the “pro” comments in this stream the more I am convinced that it is within a hairsbreadth of downright “Nazism” in it’s outlook and policies. It is only matched by it’s opposite organisation in the degree of loathing that decent people should have for it by the Unite Against Facism rabble. They are two of a kind from opposite sides of the spectrum but just as nasty as each other.
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so stuart do you have an opinion on
fgm
sharia law
honour killings
terrorism and the funding of terrorists
womans rights
violence against women
hate preachers in regent park mosque
radicalisation of the young
halal slaughter
no go areas for white people
pimping
the heroin trade
corruption during the elecction
the IFE links to tower hamlets central mosque
or is your opinion as bland as left or right
respond!
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Ah, so good to see that the festive spirit is alive and well throughout the shire!
Goodwill to all? (men absent through choice mind).
Truth is Xmas (heh heh heh) means different things to different folks. To me it’s got nothing to do with the birth of an ancient Derren Brown in a far away country and more to do with family and friends. To be fair that’s probably a more accurate reason for the celebration in the first place given it’s proximity to the winter solstice.
When it comes to our favourite holiday of the year there’s a long, long history of how and why it’s changed names and meaning. Look at any of the scandanavian counties and their xmas is a result of long winter nights and celebrating coming of the shortest day. Chances are (given our diverse history) this was similar to what the celts (the original celts, west country/wales people) were celebrating as well.
Given the EDL’s penchant for waving the St George’s cross (wasn’t he turkish?) and this bandwagoning of christmas it always feels a bit narrow minded, badly researched and lets face it attention seeking. And with that in mind I’m off to go and have a proper english meal…. anyone for curry?
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Seeing as the EDL seem to have an agenda of turning English town centres into warzones on a monthly basis, at this rate, there won’t be many town centres left intact for them to ‘defend’.
The audience of The Jeremy Kyle show probably have more intellect than this bunch of football hooligans looking for any excuse for a punch-up.
I’m surprised they haven’t been banned yet.
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Whatever next, will the edl be threatening to protest if we don’t install stain glass windows and a font at stonehenge. Two words for the edl – happy solstice . . not exactly the words in my head but they’ll do.
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It matters not one jot how many dopey, dripping wet councillors or civil servants attempt to expunge all reference to “Christmas” in favour of something (which generally only they feel) is more acceptable to all faiths and creeds. The fact of the matter is that commercialization took away responsibility for promoting Christmas from the church, decades ago. They start advertizing Christmas bookings for parties as early as August, it’s a massive money spinner. Christmas it was, is and will be evermore. The EDL letter is but one manifestation of a popular extremism, the likes of which will grow as austerity bites. The ConDems may be in government, but what we’re about to see is “the Britain that Gordon Brown built” reaching maturity. This is just an early example of it.
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This is all such rubbish. No-one, at any point, has tried to rename Christmas. All of you who think it is true, please re-read that sentence until it sinks in. There is no threat whatsoever that Christmas will be called Winterval, Festivus, Ice Season or anything else you claim. Non-Christians do not give a flying fig that we have Christmas, nor have they put pressure on any town councils to remove the name from any events. I don’t even know why I’m bothering. Clearly you think that the Sun or the Daily Mail or wherever you read this tripe is the source of all truth.
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Mary King Your comments are 100% spot on. Over the years I have seen Christmas slowly being downgraded,look at Christmas cards, has anybody tried to find one that has a religious theme. I was in London on Wednesday this week the lights are up In Oxford St. and Regent St.They are not switched on yet but on close inspection none say Merry Christmas. So well done the E.D.L the only organization who are prepared to tell what the majority of English think.
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ignore these EDF fascists, this time of year is for everyone of all religions, jesus does not have exclusivity on December it has holy implications for muslims, jews and pagans too
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A bit harsh calling an electricity supplier fascists, although EON would appreciate the bad publicity for one of its rivals..
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Ahh, Christmas. Peace and good will to all men…
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