Letter: Politicians have forgotten they were elected to look after us

On December 14 our Prime Minister, Theresa May, said in the House of Commons “Britain should be proud of spending £12 billion a year on overseas aid”. Why?

Theresa May
Theresa May

Does she really believe that the vulnerable people in the UK who are suffering because of cut backs in spending on the NHS, care programmes and sheltered accommodation feel “proud” that they are paying for the high life of despots in overseas countries.

Our politicians appear to have forgotten that they were elected to look after the British electorate. They prefer to waste our hard-earned money on dubious schemes outside the UK which cannot provide an audit trail.

The lack of an audit trail perhaps gives us a clue as to why the aid givers enjoy throwing our money around.

We all know of the use of bribes in international contracts. Is it beyond imagination that the actual person handing out the aid does not benefit personally from his decision?

Why else could there be no audit trail for giving our money away?

We should be spending our tax money on our own vulnerable people. We should not give anymore money to overseas aid until we know exactly how last year’s aid was spent.

But this will not happen because, to those enjoying a cushioned life inside the Westminster bubble, the British people only matter at election time.

Theresa does not mind because, to her, the vulnerable British people just do not matter.

Denis Allen, Wellington

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Comments for: "Letter: Politicians have forgotten they were elected to look after us"

Bob1954

Quite honestly, I have to agree. I suspect that the greater proportion of what British government give is sucked up in administration and corruption. Only a small percentage actually benefits anyone at all (except the corrupt people).

Incredibly, until recently we were still giving money to countries like China. (In fact we may still be giving to them).

There are more than enough issues at home. Get our own house in order and then worry about others!

I think a lot of the "giving aid" is a legacy of guilt, created at the end of the British Empire. Well, that is passed now. We are a small island nation, vastly overcrowded, currently unable to control our own borders, totally under-funded - and in trouble. Before long, we will need to go with a begging cap and ask for aid! (and you know what the answer will be).

Mr Majestic

Only way to deal with this issue is making it an election issue , as with the NHS lets have a grown up debate on that in parliament before 20/20 and perhaps we may well then learn how it is going to be paid re FA for and how is it going to continue in its dated old way the NHS .

Terry

You clearly do not understand politics. I suggest you visit Manchester and the Imperial Museum North which explains how wars come about and the importance of seeing how one's own country plays a role in keeping peace.

With global warming and super bugs and barriers of communication removed it is even more vital to see us as a player and ensure our position and security.

Bob1954

Terry. I understand your points, but I don't think we are in a position to be giving aid - in the way that we do currently.

When we were a "rich" nation, and if we ever are a "rich" nation again, then was/is the time to be helping other Countries.

We give millions to India, yet they surpass us in upcoming technology. If their systems and government cannot install flushing toilets for all their people, that is not our problem, it is theirs and theirs alone. Likewise China.

I am not being racist, I have every respect for Indians and Chinese and their wish to advance, but why should we have to finance it? Our Government are utterly unable to finance us, so the worst possible thing is to give our money away.

To be honest, we waste huge sums - massive sums of money in our own Country with over-the-top crap like excessive jobs-worth HSE, idiotic councils (like our local one), utterly stupid waste by central government (scrapping projects that they thought would be a good idea last year, but now they change their minds).

If our own house was in order, then ok, but our own house is falling down - and rapidly.

We are in the poo!

PJS

What about the £59bn we've had to borrow (so far) directly as a result of Brexit.

Much, if not all of the £250m per week interest payments relating to that will go abroad, though obviously not to starving children or war/natural disaster victims. Can we afford that? Kippers like Denis Allen think we can.

pete

PJS just keeps on doing Britain down , very sad.

.....................Bless

PJS

On the contrary - I'm standing up for Britain - I want to know why we're wasting large sums of money on interest payments that could and should have been avoided.

aaron95

We are a rich nation. There are various different ways of measuring our wealth, but no matter how you do it, the UK is in the top 10%.

If you think India surpasses the UK in terms of technology, you are in cloud cuckoo land.

Terry

It is far more complicated than you are conveying Bob and whether you like it or not we are a rich nation. Sadly thanks to Tory policies and then Labour the UK has developed into a very unequal society on the back of allied countries that worked together in the main, rich or poor to fight the evil of Nazism.

veritycross

Terry, have you ever heard the well known saying 'Charity begins at home'?. And boy do we need some. Can you tell me if any one of our Politicians, whatever the Party, knows what it is like to truly financially struggle and be given the opportunity to live a life of even basic contentment? How can anyone be so blind as to ignore our own country's needs. Perhaps this country is in desperate need of some 'foreign aid'. Where do we apply and who might do the applying. Foreign Aid - it is a very very sick joke. We moaned enough about giving millions to Brussels, yet we can give away billions in the form of foreign aid. Many hundreds of thousands of people in this country are desperate for financial help, homes, hospitals, schools, etc, so I finish where I started - charity begins at home.

PJS

Denis Allen doesn't seem to be very good at figures - he seems to believe that we are going to get £350 million per week for the NHS by leaving the EU. Obviously, that was a lie - but he can't quite grasp that.

As I recall, some years ago he claimed that retiring Civil Servants could get a pension equal to or more than their final salary - a claim that seemed to have been based upon n inaccurate and misleading article in the Daily Mail - which tells us all we need to know about where he researches his 'facts'.

Like most of those on the right he would sooner see children starve and people like Philip Green benefit from massive tax cuts instead, and as for his fake concern for the NHS, let's not forget that the man elected to lead his party wants to privatise it!

jim jams

"Denis Allen doesn't seem to be very good at figures - he seems to believe that we are going to get £350 million per week for the NHS by leaving the EU. Obviously, that was a lie - but he can't quite grasp that."

So would you like to show us all where he says that PJS?

Another of your frequently made up "facts", it seems. You lose any credibility you may have had by repeating such lies.

PJS

July 15th - 2016. Letter to Shropshire Star from Denis Allen:

'According to the Office of National Statistics the sum we pay to the EU is actually £362 million each week (the amount varies with the fluctuation of the value of the pound against the Euro).

It should be obvious to all but the most simple of the chattering classes that when we actually leave the EU this money and all the other funds sucked out of the British economy by the European Union will be available to us to spend as we wish (including on the National Health Service).'

Another letter from Allen, to the Star, published July 13th:

'Not least because we are still paying £362m per week (Office of National Statistics figures) to a club we have decided to leave'.

Now the ONS had said from a very early stage that the figure Allen uses so often was not an accurate representation of what e send to the EU - nor has it ever been. They indicated that it should not be used. Despite that, Allen has continued to quote it - as have other local UKIP people (Adrian Williams for example), as if it were true. Even the leader of their own party admitted that it was an inaccurate figure - not until after the campaign was over, but before these letters were published.

So there you have it - the facts are under your nose. He really has no excuse for continued propagation of this lie, and it simply shows your gullibility and inability or unwillingness to look for facts of your own if you believe it.

Now, what about the £59bn (over 4 times the foreign aid budget) in extra borrowing we've acquired solely thanks to the Brexit vote (that's approx. £250 million a week in additional interest payments) all money going to the undeserving wealthy, often abroad. How should we put a stop to that?

jim jams

you still haven't shown us where he says that £362 million is going to be spent,wholly on the NHS... must try harder !

PJS

Stop splitting hairs. He repeatedly mentions the £35 million per week, in the full knowledge that it is an amount that was never sent to the EU and in the full knowledge that it was a central part of the leave campaign that this imaginary sum would go to the NHS. He's more than happy to associate the two and to continue the lie.

And if he is really concerned about the £12bn in foreign aid, (rather than just having a bit of a xenophobe's tantrum) why is he not absolutely apoplectic about the waste of £59bn in extra borrowing occasioned solely by the damage done to our economy by the Brexit vote?

jim jams

Not splitting hairs just pointing out another of your repeated mistruths.

"Denis Allen doesn't seem to be very good at figures - he seems to believe that we are going to get £350 million per week for the NHS by leaving the EU. "

PJS

Denis Allen said:

''According to the Office of National Statistics the sum we pay to the EU is actually £362 million each week (the amount varies with the fluctuation of the value of the pound against the Euro).

It should be obvious to all but the most simple of the chattering classes that when we actually leave the EU this money and all the other funds sucked out of the British economy by the European Union will be available to us to spend as we wish (including on the National Health Service).'

Which bit of the above quote didn't you understand? The £350 million quid doesn't exist - so how could it be spent on the NHS. Why does he continue with this lie?

pete

Like most of those on the right he would sooner see children starve and people like Philip Green benefit from massive tax cuts instead, and as for his fake concern for the NHS, let's not forget that the man elected to lead his party wants to privatise it!

Like all of the socialist clique they never realize the consequences of their social policy. Here's another classic example of the bigoted socialist rationale , if you dare to criticize them then you obviously wish to see children starve and then through in the association of dubious wealthy tycoon to fictionally legitimize their ridiculous argument. It a pathetic politic when you advocate the apposite in your reason, that you would rather see the suffering of British children and higher unemployment by tax disincentive.

.................................Bless.

Jett

Somehow during this austerity, the richest 0.1 per cent continues to enjoy huge annual increases in pay awards. For example, the salaries of directors of the top 100 companies have increased by 80 per cent over the last ten years. This isn't difficult to justify as they've quite reasonably explained that "what you must remember is the richest 0.1 per cent are a different species to the rest of you, and if our bonuses don't increase by at least 28 per cent, our gills close up and we suffocate".

Jett

The High Pay Commission published a report about the trend in salaries paid to the highest 0.1 per cent of earners, and it seems that someone must have made a terrible mistake. Because, in this time of unprecedented debt and sacrifice, with the Government making daily statements such as "in order to keep old age pensions viable, we are insisting from now on that the elderly contribute towards their upkeep, by selling drugs for just two days a week. Under this scheme, they will keep 90 per cent of whatever they make, which is far more generous than the rate on the open market, and this will ensure properly funded pensions for the next generation."

(Oh and just to let you know, your ire is starting to show. Thought you might like to know).

The_real_one23

Has anyone else noticed how inconsistent the right wingers in this country are becoming on certain things, arguing both ways to suit their agenda?

If you were to suggest to Denis Allen that the UK is better off inside the EU, or indeed, even in the single market, I'm sure he'd be quick to point out that we are one of the biggest economies on earth, and use that to rubbish any claim that we couldn't stand on our own two feet.

But suggest to him that some villages in sub-Saharan Africa need help funding the cost of a clean water source, and suddenly we're just little old Britain again.

Tony in BC

Perhaps aid where and when it is most urgently needed such as earthquakes, floods, famine etc., would be a better idea than charity given to national governments. And sometimes charity or help is better left to service clubs and groups. Local examples include the fight against polio in third world countries, midwifery (practice and teaching) in central America, hospital supplies in Zimbabwe and ongoing clean water projects in Ethiopia.

We know the moneys raised go pretty much directly to these projects and many of us locals have hands-on experience with the above initiatives and report to the local clubs and community on the progress and success - so that we all know our charity is worthwhile.

Terry

It is about time people realised we have one planet so there is nowhere else to go (at the moment) if we do not respond globally to our position in the world and keep our friends/partners.

Splendid Isolation did not work for the Victorians as it relied on domination and fighting wars to retain power rather than cooperation and negotiation.

PJS

Terry, absolutely correct.

The sole purpose of letter like this is to engender dislike of foreigners. We have problems in our NHS, and we also have a foreign aid budget.

As one of the wealthiest countries in the world, we can afford to do both. The reason that we struggle is because year after year we fund the larger and larger gap in this country between rich and poor, and make no real effort to redistribute the wealth. It's not the poor or starving who are bleeding us dry, it the wealthiest people.

The letter writer clearly couldn't care less about the people who need this aid, and I suspect he cares almost as little about the NHS. His intention in writing the letter and by falsely attempting to conflate the two issues is to keep the xenophobia on the boil, in the hope that this will attract voters to UKIP and other far-right parties.

jim jams

It looks like the experts don't agree with you and your bessie mate.

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2017/01/10/corbyn-call-for-pay-cap-for-high-earners-branded-idiotic-by-ex-economic-chief/

PJS

I'm not in favour of pay caps for the very wealthy either - it would be difficult to make them work.

But something needs to be done about the increasing gap between the rich and the poor, and the wealthiest shouldn't be allowed to get away with avoiding so much tax, nor with making huge profits from their poorly paid, poorly treated employees.

Given that right wing parties exist to serve the rich, not the poor, you'll only ever broaden the gap by voting for them and their diversionary scapegoating.

If we got all the tax due from these people we wouldn't have NHS problems - it's nothing to do with the foreign aid budget.

Cunning Linguist

And back in the real world, the wealthy aren't earning their huge pay rises. Researchers from Lancaster University’s management school found that returns on investment from major companies amounted to just one per cent in a decade despite senior executives enjoying pay rises of more than 80 per cent over the same period.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/high-executive-pay-performance-ceos-link-negligible-study-a7498441.html

Eurealist

I'm not in favour of pay caps for the very wealthy either - it would be difficult to make them work.

I am not convinced by that argument it is difficult to make any policy or new law work, that cannot be an argument for dissmissing the idea.