Letter: Contrasting rewards for serving country

I read of the greatly contrasting rewards that are given for serving one’s country in the United Kingdom.

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I read of 80 serving members of the Armed Services suddenly sacked within a year of qualifying for their pensions.

I also read of an ex-serviceman with many years’ service being told he would not be provided with social accommodation for an estimated 12 years.

In the same places I read about 70 MPs who had fiddled more than £1 million of taxpayers’ money with property scams and of a minister (who happens to be a millionaire) who attempted to travel First Class on a train having purchased a Standard Class ticket.

I was struck by the contrast in reward systems:

MPs: now that the European Union writes 80 per cent of our laws; the House of Commons only has 20 per cent of its tasks remaining. Our Members of Parliament have little to do but think of ways to steal taxpayers’ money and, when caught, they are seldom punished.

Servicemen: endure hardships and separation from their loved ones, being sent from hell-hole to hell-hole.

Having served these MPs well they are cheated out of their pensions by these same MPs and told that they have less right to accommodation than an immigrant who has never done anything for this country.

In the interest of natural justice I have a proposition.

I propose an 80 per cent drop in pay for MPs (to reflect the reduction of their workload). The money saved should be used to restore pension rights and provide accommodation to ex-servicemen.

Would any of your readers second my proposal?

Denis Allen

Chairman

Telford & Wrekin

Branch UKIP

Wellington

Comments for: "Letter: Contrasting rewards for serving country"

George

When you read about Google’s recent stock market blunder that saw them lose something like millions of pounds, most people would think that the person responsible would either get a damned good talking to, or the sack.

However when most people read about an MP who has lost millions of pounds, there’s nothing to give the impression that anything would be done to deal with the man responsible.

There’s a wall, with MPs and their rules on one side and the plebs and their vastly more disciplined rules on the other. How long can we continue like this?

Bob Jenkins

Hear, hear. I second that proposition.

sowhat

In Short, NO i do not.

'MPs: now that the European Union writes 80 per cent of our laws; the House of Commons only has 20 per cent of its tasks remaining. Our Members of Parliament have little to do but think of ways to steal taxpayers’ money' Can you back that up? or is it another 'plucked out of thin air' opinion.

Thought so.

Roger

Our MP managed to make 72 return first class journeys between Shrewsbury and London in the less than 36 week parliamentary year. There does not seem to be much for him to do in London in the working week and he has a Parliamentary Sectaries job to do as well as being our MP.

He sat as a member of both the International Development Select Committee and the Justice Select Committee, but was criticised by the Birmingham Post in 2009 for failing to regularly attend the meetings of the Select Committees to which he had been appointed. Kawczynski is recorded as having attended only 12.5 per cent of all Justice Select Committee meetings and 31.3 per cent of International Development Select Committee meetings during the last Parliamentary session. Kawczynski no longer sits on any Select Committees following his failure to get elected to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee.

In 2010 Kawczynski published a book called Seeking Gaddafi. So how does he use his time?

Denis Allen

The 80% of laws and regulations figure was NOT "plucked out of thin air". It came from Bundesverfassungsgericht's (German Federal Constitutional Court) published report after they had researched the effects of EU rulings and regulations on member states.

The MPs fraudulantly stealing taxpayers money was exposed by the Daily Telegraph and some (too few) have been to prison and many (not enough) have had to pay back some of their ill-gotten gains.

julian

Despite agreeing that your examples show some clear injustice, the proposal to cut MP's salaries to £13,000 is an example of why so many 'normal' people have difficulty taking parties like UKIP seriously. Were you to propose that MPs be given the average salary for their constituency; giving them a personal interest in working for the good of everyone, you'd appear less foolish, Denis.

Denis Allen

"The first duty of MP is to do what is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain".

As all our MPs have failed to protect or restore our rights under Magna Carta and the 1689 Bill of Rights they are not worth £13,000 each (would you pay someone who you for giving away what is yours?).

Andrew

As an ex-serviceman myself, I am always disappointed if our service personnel are treated poorly.

However, I'd balance the argument with the fact that, as a service person in this country, you are given amazing opportunities and experiences. You are trained by the best military in the world and, now, employ some of the most sophisticated bits of kit and techniques.

You form lifelong friendships, enjoy a fantastic social life, become fitter and healthier than you'll ever be in your life and end up having some incredible memories. Whilst not paid an amazing wage, at least you do have a job and a roof over your head.

Finally, all of our troops are volunteers and many are incredibly proud, and let's not forget, honoured, to serve their country.

One service personnel lost or injured is one too many. Yes, we sometimes ask our troops to make the ultimate sacrifice. But with a volunteer force there's always a value exchange between the individual and the State. We've just got to make sure it's a fair one.

Denis Allen

Thank you for the platitudes.

I served in the armed services for 34 years (17 years regular forces and 17 years in the Territorial Army)

The "value exchange between the individual and the State"has always been a lopsided one but under Cameron it represents a complete breach of trust.

Servicemen with many years service are being sacked just before they qualify for their pension, soldiers who lost limbs serving their country are being told that they do not qualify for disability benefits. Figian ex servicemen with English wives and children are told they have no right to stay in this country. Gurkhas are often told to go after years of loyal service.

Roger

I think that our Armed Forces should be treated better than are. I think they being treated better now than they were, but its still not good enough. Career Soldier should mean just that, a life time of commitment in exchange for being looked after for a life time. Particularly his widow and Kids if he has to pay the ultimate price.

As for the MP's some are OK and some are just lobby fodder. Some sort of payment by results system seems to be popular with this government. Chancellors pay for sorting out the economy or a rebate for this one. Secretary of State pay for sorting out the Railways or a rebate from the one they moved out of way just in time to not have to face the music. A bonus for the MP who stuck to his guns about Hillsborough until he got the truth for his constituents. If I knew what UKIP stood for I might be able to give an example there but all I have heard about is “out of Europe”, our main trading partners. How would we measure their results?

Denis Allen

UKIP stands for shared opportunities the other parties stand for shared misery..

The EU has NEVER taken anywhere near half our exports. We make a huge loss with our trade with the EU. We make a large profit out of our trade with the rest of the world.

You owe it to youself to be better informed. A short-cut to knowledge would be a visit to the UKIP web-site.

Rupert Barrington-Black

I will not vote for any party that tells blatant untruths.

The assertion that the EU writes 80% of our laws is an example of such an untruth.

Is this UKiP offical position or the deliberate falsehood of the author of this letter?

Denis Allen

A fact does not stop being a fact because Rupert Barrington-Black is ignorant of that fact.

I suggest that you do some serious reading befor you accuse someone of writing an "untruth"

Peter

Another ridiculous letter from Denis Allen.

This, as I recall, is the man who previously assured us that Civil Servants could retire on a pension greater than their final salary, despite the fact that even after a full 40 years service under the original Civil Service scheme, the maximum attainable was 50% of final salary, with today's Civil Servants entitled to far less. The only other source for this scurrilous nonsense was the Daily Mail, which later had to admit that they had it wrong - so it appears that Mr Allen's 'research' goes no further than the tabloid rags he reads.

And so it is with his oafish claims in this letter. 80% of our laws made in the EU? Where's the evidence of that? I know it's a mantra of right-wing parties, but that doesn't lend it any credence. Of course in a trading group with similar tax regimes, similar justice systems and human rights models (determined to some extent by the non-EU related ECHR) there will be commonality of law to a great extent - but each country still puts its own laws on the statute book, via the relevant parliament or other democratic institution.

As for the allegation that somehow immigrants are given preference in accommodation provision, this is nothing but simple racism.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that immigrants are given preferential treatment. In fact, if Mr Allen had done one iota of research he would have found that the opposite is true, and that immigrants have very little entitlement, which only becomes greater when they have worked for some time and contributed via tax and National Insurance to our coffers. The only exceptions to these processes are where vulnerable women and children are involved - perhaps Mr Allen would sooner see homeless children on our streets?

The suggestion then, that ex-service people are somehow disadvantaged in favour of immigrants, is utterly scurrilous. If Mr Allen wants to determine why the provision of social housing in the UK is in such disarray, he needs only to look back to the 1980s when the majority of it was sold off cheaply, and not replaced.

That provides problems not only for ex-service people, but for a much broader range of low-paid people, who cannot afford the very high private-sector rents we now see as a result of the buy-to-let boom. To blame the shortage on immigrants is not only small-minded, scapegoating bigotry, which UKIP supporters often excel in, but also mathematically ridiculous.

Denis Allen

This infantile verbiage is ill-informed and,in some cases, deliberately dishonest. I suggest that you get someone of intelligence (if you mix with such people) to go through your diatribe methodically and explain to you the disjuncture between truth and what you have written.

I am sure that your mummy would not be proud of what you have written.

Peter

Denis,

I see no facts in your post - simply a 'doll out of the pram' tantrum I'm afraid, rather pathetic in a man of your age isn't it? I'm sure those who might be considering voting for you in the future will take account of your evident lack of debating capability.

Are you denying that you made the incorrect claim about Civil Service pensions? Where is your evidence that immigrants are treated favourably in terms of accommodation provision? You seem to have presented none at all. Please tell me where, specifically, I've been dishonest as you claim?

I'm sorry that reading a few paragraphs is a little taxing for you, but I'm afraid that when one is presenting facts it's necessary sometimes to go into detail by way of supporting evidence - a lesson that you and your UKIP colleagues would do well to learn.

Oh and for the record, my parents died quite a few years ago - your silly attempt to patronise on the basis of age is ill-judged (but just another of the prejudices I would expect from those on the right!) - I'm not much younger than you are.

I look forward to your response to my questions.

Lewis

What I do oppose, Mr Allen, is a cheap shot at the European Union (which in itself is the response to two European/World Wars) masquerading as concern for our armed forces.

Not Impressed.

JOHN JONES

We were in Warsaw from the 17/10 to 21/10 and in the hotel talking to the barman about all the polish workers in England. his reply was this. The benifits are far better in England than any other EU country, One of the main advantages is ,tell the authorities that you have say 5 children in Poland and claim all the allowances you can get for them, because it will take up to 18 months for the polish authorities to check up, By then you are home and everything is dropped. I don't know if this is true or not, but they are all very nice people.