Letter: A miserly rise in pensions
How miserly to give already hard-up pensioners a rise of 38p a day.
The 13 million pensioners in Britain will get a weekly rise of £2.69, this at a time when many pensioners have the stark choice of putting food on their table or the heating on, as they simply can’t afford both.
This is at a time when energy and food prices are leaping way above inflation.
Britain’s state pension is one of the least adequate in Europe, yet the leaders of this country still insist on pouring billions into the EU project and overseas aid, while sitting back and watching the ‘not-so- wealthy’ suffer
Each pensioner has a vote. We urge you to make it count and show the ex-public schoolboys who live the high life in Government the exit – by voting them out.
G. B. DIPPER,
Freedom Democrats Party,
Leominster.
Comments for: "Letter: A miserly rise in pensions"
Robert Tressell
Jut remember our top priority is to cut back otherwise the wealthy and top businesses might have to pay their fair share of taxes and we couldn't see them suffer, now could we?
Roger
Where did you get that Number from? Are you assuming that the government will stick to i's promise of increasing by CPI or £2.50 which ever is highest. You should not do so until the autumn statement. They may well fall short yet.
We all know that the CPI index does not represent inflation for pensioners because the key factors for pensioners are Food, Fuel and Rent. All of these factors will rise by far in advance of RPI let alone CPI.
This government is living with the impression that pensions are benefits and that, pensioners some how have more money than anyone else in society. Pensions are bought and paid for by contributions made over 50 years from a group in society who are most likely to have been paying contributions in continuous full time employment than any other group. The group that over their life times have made the least demand on the government.
It is disgraceful that people who have worked their entire lives for a relatively low pension should become the target of government cuts. These are the people in society least able to be able to supplement their incomes. They got what they planned for and depended upon for their retirements and even that is being taken away through erosion of its value at alarming rates over the last three years.
On the good side Pensioners do not forget and will respond to this theft through the ballot box. That's a potential 13 million votes this government has lost because they were greedy and gave the value of our pensions to their mates in £40,000 tax reliefs. Pensioners have the time to vote and I encourage them to do so and demonstrate to politicians that they hurt pensions at their peril.
JOHN JONES
Thank you Roger. You are correct, that is why I have changed my vote like a lot of other pensioners to the B.N.P.
Gawdelpus
If you vote for the BNP you don't deserve to get a pension.
George
People like you who don't allow others to have their opinion should not get the vote.
Peter
I think most pensioners are brighter than that.
Clearly not enough of them have moved to avoid the widespread loss of deposits by BNP candidates, and the total loss of all of their council seats last time out.
And of course, many pensioners will recall that a generation which includes at least some of them fought against an evil tyrannical regime which shared many of the values of the vile BNP. Don't forget that the leader of the BNP is an unapologetic Holocaust denier.
Talk about a wasted vote!
george simpson
Let us not forget that it was the labour government who raided the pension funds and introduced the rise in pensionable age,
although this tory lot have done absolutely nothing to rectify the wrongs, except to blame the previous nest of thieves.
Frank Owen
Gordon Brown ensured that profits made through dividends received by private pension funds were taxed at 20%, the same level as income paid by the majority of working people in Britain.
Maggie Thatcher did much more damage by ensuring that local government pension schemes stopped contributions in the 80s to avoid people realising the true cost of the Poll Tax.
However, neither of these facts negate Roger's point - people currently on pensions, or due to receive them shortly have paid all their hard working lives towards a guarentee of a pension which meets their basic needs and rises with the cost of living. Tories and Liberals renege on this promise at their peril
Peter
Correct - the whole 'Brown stole our pensions story' is a myth.
If George wants to know where all the final salary pension schemes went he needs look no further than to greedy employers who failed to keep up their contributions when times were good, and then wrung their hands when they realised they had a deficit to make up.
jeffb
I will wager my next weeks old age pension that MPs get more than this
Jack
Ok - here's a view from the younger demographic.
I've had a pay freeze since 2008. I have 2 children, and we don't get tax credits. I won't be able to draw my pension until I'm 68. My kids are having the education system destroyed around their ears and face a lifetime of debt if they want to go on to higher education as their parents and grandparents did - and which the economy ultimately benefited from.
But, because the generation with the bus passes and winter fuel payments and free tv licences have the time to write and complain of their plight - the plight of families like mine is quietly dropped from the headlines.
Gawdelpus
Hear hear . . . I appreciate that many pensioners face hardship, especially over the winter months. But many do not. And for all the whingeing about how "we worked hard all our lives so we deserve more", I doubt whether they worked any harder than the present working generations -- at least those who can get a job -- are doing now. And we're having to do it for longer. So stop moaning.
JOHN JONES
Yes, Us pensioners have been there, got the "T" shirt etc. Worked a standard week of 44 hours at 15 years of age, if you went sick no wages, My wife had our 2 nd child at home at 7:30 pm, and I was on the night shift starting at 9:50pm the same day till 7.50 am next day. None of this silly fathers maternity leave for us, we were not wimps like today's parents. The governments contribution to our children was 8 shillings [ 40p ]a week for the 2nd child and that was that. So stop moaning.
Jack
John - I don't believe we've met and you aren't aware of my paternity leave arrangements, terms for sick pay or the hours I work. So your contribution to the debate was at best irrelevant and at worst rude.
Also interesting that you quote how much support you received from the state in the prices of yesteryear. For the sake of meaningful comparison, could you also mention the house prices of the time, the cost of the council tax (or rates as they were then known) and maybe a football ticket for stfc?
JOHN JONES
Jack I will try,
Apprentice wages for 44 hour week £1.75p 1957
Wage at end of 6 years £12.32p skilled rate. 1963. 1962 wages £8. 00p.
Married in 1962. first child in 1964. 2nd 1966. Wife stayed at home. [met my wife at age of 13 she was 11]
Moved into our new house 1964 with mortgage from Shrewsbury Borough Council over 25 years At 6% rising at one stage to 15%,
House price standard 3 bedroom semi. £2.185.00
mortgage £13.40p per month. [ Fletcher Estate ]
Rates including Water/ police / fire [ the whole lot ] Approx £4.00 per month.
1st Vehicle A35 van purchased in Charlie Clark's sale for £110.00 approx 1967.
Shrewsbury town ticket Approx 13p.
Petrol Round about 30p a gall.
Pint of beer less than 10p 1960s
Happy days. But Jack. you will be writing the same as me when you are 70 in reply to a youngster who will be writing the same as you.
An old saying " Money comes to you to late in life "
bernie
It sounds like the only view should be yours,
The Original Jake
It must have been reassuring to know that you could afford to buy a sensibly priced house on a single wage though, eh?
Roger
I happen to agree with you on the most important priority. “Our Youth”.
At the moment youth aspiration is zero but the government are neglecting that as well.
Our future will depend on what the children at school leaving age do. Some will go on the Universities but it is wrong to encourage too many to do that because there are not the number of graduate entry jobs out there. Balance is required. It is the skills gap that we need to address. The level of training in this country is ridiculously low. We employ nurses from abroad, import brick layers and carpenters and fail to train our youth sufficiently to change a tap washer for themselves. Instead of giving our youths the skills required to help to help themselves and therefore the country we leave them to languish on benefits and destroy their aspirations. They should be the top priority.
So why are we getting the cuts in the value of our pensions? To allow £40K tax allowances for millionaires? To balance the books so that the unemployed can be paid benefits? To pay redundancy bills and create more pensioners so the private businesses can employ workers on minimum wages “with tax credits” to provide sub standard services? To bail out the banks that destroyed the value of our occupational pensions?
If we were all in it together it might be reasonable to ask pensioners to pull in their belts a little but we are not all in it together. We are taking 20% cuts to make the rich richer and that is evil. The government are not addressing the economic problems they are making them worse and failing to prepare for the future. This is bad government and we should all recognise it for what it is. Including the "Young Demographic" who should be worried about their children’s futures.
When the rich have sucked us dry, they leave the country taking our wealth with them because they have no customers left here and nobody left to exploit. That a view from the "Old Demographic".
Nick, Telford
I wonder if milk farmers are reading any of this? They seem to think they're the only ones having tough times at the moment
ALAN FROM TELFORD
THIS GOVERNMENT WANT YOU TO BLAME EACH OTHER JUST LIKE THE ARTICALS ABOVE.THE WORKING CLASS SHOULD PULL TOGETHER.THEY WILL PLUNDER THE POOR THEY CAN NOT FIGHT BACK.NEVER AGAIN DO I WANT TO SEE A TORY NEAR GOVERNMENT.THATCHER LET YOU BUY YOUR HOUSE YES BUT MANY WILL SUFFER THE FACT LATER IN LIFE.THATCHER ROBBED PENSIONS FIRST NOT LABOUR.AND FOR YOU THAT WILL NEVER RETIRE YOU SHOULD FIGHT AGAINST IT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE.TRY DOING MANUAL WORK WHEN YOUR 65+WONT HAPPEN.AND YOU WILL GET NO HELP.
Robert Tressell
It's difficult to see who those who suffer under unrestrained capitalism can vote for these days. My experience of the Blair / Brown "New" Labour is that it was just Tories Mk2. Their first priorities confirm this - 24 drinking, more casinos, sucking up to George Bush - surely there must have been other priorities after the Thatcher demolition job?
Peter
Well it certainly won't be 'The Freedom Democrats Party'!
Isn't it odd how many of these crackpot right-wing splinter groups like to bandy words like 'freedom' and 'democracy' when they couldn't be further from either. This particular lot for example want a return to hereditary peers in the House of Lords - how democratic would that be?
Look at the the self-styled Freedom Association - people who are so in favour of 'freedom' that they seek to prevent the working man from organising to protect jobs and terms and conditions of employment.
And look at the Taxpayers' Alliance. Not, as it turns out, a grass-roots group who work in the interests of the ordinary taxpayer - but instead a group founded by big business and ex-senior Tories, and representing their interests above those of ordinary folk - funny how they never, ever mention closing some of the tax loopholes for the wealthy isn't it?