Letter: Protest needed against wind turbines

I see that Welshpool Town Clerk Robert Robinson is going to conduct a survey in the caravan sites and hotels of Montgomeryshire, to find out if visitors to the county support wind turbines, or wind generators, to describe them more correctly.

Wind turbine stock

He is quoted as saying ‘to simply argue that wind farms will have a negative effect on tourism is not enough any longer, we must be able to prove it!’.

How is he going to prove that with a questionnaire, when neither the townies he questions, or local people, will have seen the 400ft and 475ft wind generators that will be coming, because they do not currently exist in Wales?

Visitors will be duped into thinking that the proposed new ‘turbines’, are the same size as the ‘toys’ already in the county.

Most of the latter are a mere 150ft in height, or the size of Nelson’s Column.

The 300 or so being applied for in the five applications, will be 400ft or 475ft high; up to treble the height of existing ones.

And to give some idea of what that looks like, 475ft is only 50ft shorter than Blackpool Tower, with blades that are longer than complete wind turbines currently seen in Montgomeryshire.

The people of the whole of Powys, as well as Denbighshire, Flintshire, Gwynedd and the rest of Wales, plus Shropshire and Cheshire, all need to protest urgently and vociferously against this disgusting desecration of one of Wales’s finest old counties.

Some visitors will, through sheer ignorance, support wind generators, but when the truth dawns on them later on, they will hitch their caravans and leave.

L J Jenkins

Cardigan Island Coastal

Farm Park

Comments for: "Letter: Protest needed against wind turbines"

Andrew finch

Well said .

DP

If you can define a suitable, viable alternative then please do so.

Unfortunately, we do need to think about alternative energy methods and unfortunately some concessions have to be made - for example the countryside. I travel to Austria and Hungary quite often and there are acres of fields full of the turbines because they understand the necessity for them. I would hate to see our countryside altered to accomodate these structures but be have to be realistic

Mat

No problem regarding affecting tourism in my opinion and look fantastic when you travel from Elan Valley to Aberwystwyth

julian

"Visitors will be duped into thinking..."

That's a strong assumption considering you have not seen this questionnaire.

I would think a swathe of windmills the size of Blackpool Tower will actually generate tourism. People will go specifically to see them. I know I will.

Ken Adams

Glad you like them Mat, but was not the point of the letter that the ones in the pipeline were so much bigger and therefore much more intrusive than anything yet seen. Was not a further point that people would be fooled into thinking it was just more of the same size.

Wenlock Un

Ken,

Correct me if I'm wrong but,.. the other day you assured me that the UK population were suitably intelligent to assess the effects of being in the EU on our laws and economy, whilst here you appear to be defending the suggestion that they can't comprehend the difference in scale of a large windmill?

I would have thought the letter-writer's patronising attitude towards his visiting 'townies' would be sufficiently detrimental to tourism but as the original article states, if you claim it will have that effect then why wouldn't you ask those people who will supposedly stop visiting to confirm that?

Ken Adams

Yes of course they can tell the difference, but they wont comprehend the difference in scale unless it is pointed out to them in the questionnaire, I do not suppose they will study the plans of each of these proposed wind farms before answering the question.

Peter

Mr Jenkins,

Fortunately many of those you so readily dismiss as 'townies' are reasonably well-travelled, and will have seen large-scale wind farms in continental Europe with large size generators.

Personally, I don't think they detract from the countryside in France, Denmark etc. - and I doubt if they'd really do so in Wales.

I'm sure you buy and use items that are made in towns and cities, where those poor 'townies' have to live and work. Their living environments are littered with far worse things than wind turbines in many cases - but I'm sure you'd be outraged if they stopped supplying you with the goods you need due to concerns and complaints about their environment.

Nigel

It is very easy to come up with a negative perspective on anything. Wind turbines have become an easy target for such naysayers. They never come up with viable alternatives, probably don't even know what energy conservation is and have an incredibly narrow perspective(in this case straight out of the farm park window).

Wind energy is not a solution but it is part of a diverse rang of energy sources which reduce reliance on fossil fuels. We need to have security of supply also so importing all our fuel is not an answer.

I dare say L J Jenkins would have a similarly negative view if there was a proposal to put a nuclear power station on Cardigan Island, actually that would be a very good place. Plenty of water for cooling and a local population that is against wind turbines so they must be ok with Nuclear.

Andy

Brilliant!

And in your note one could supplant "they" with "the welsh" and it would still be 100% accurate.

Andrew finch

Going on some of the comments i would assume if it is not your home affected and value drops, your business based around tourism affected and profits go down your quality of life affected you would not really care and that is understandable .

However to think tourists would come to see a coutryside full of windturbines is an amusing one i have not seen many tourists hovering around the small wind farms we have at the moment , heard plenty of comments near them such as "good god look at that" , "wouldnt like to wake up to that every day" and "ah well must have been a great view once from that cottage"..

An alternative well yes we have to find another this is not a viable one though on all counts and they are developing a habit of falling over in the wind lately, which is not good for a wind turbine .

The Original Jake

"...heard plenty of comments near them such as 'good god look at that' , 'wouldnt like to wake up to that every day' and 'ah well must have been a great view once from that cottage'..."

Really? Blimey. As a tourist I'd be less concerned about wind turbines and more worried about the strange man hanging round wind farms eavesdropping on conversations.

Ken Adams

In any case has not Robert Robinson turned the question around, is it not up to those who want to build something to prove that it will NOT have a negative effect.

SteveD

You all make me laugh, you all sound like we live in a democracy. I think you will find that the decision has already been made and all the ranting in the world will not change there minds..... Just so long as it is not in there back yard.

Richard

SteveD gets it spot on. It doesn't matter what you say or do, the decision has been made on high by those who seek to gain an awful lot from these developments. There is no democracy at work here.

As for "viable alternatives" and,"energy conservation", it's funny how all the posters above seem to have a great environmental awareness, recognise climate change and say "something" has to be done......but the only solutions provided are to maintain exactly the same lifestyle we already have by raping natural resources to provide for it.

What's the "viable alternative"? Well, if we are serious about it, then we have to look at our lifestyles and realise that they are not sustainable. You can't have a million and one devices on at the same time in your home, using massive amounts of energy. You can't have food flown all over the world just for our convenience. You can't expect to be jetting off wherever you like, whenever you like for a "break". The way forward is to examine these issues, find a new, more harmonious way of living, and thereby reduce energy usage and reduce our effect on the natural environment.

But, of course, you won't hear any of this because it doesn't make profits.

Poweranger

So, where exactly does the author of the letter suppose the electricity comes from at present to boil his kettle, light his home and run his tv? Most of the rest of the country has to put up with some inconvenience in order to generate and distribute electricity. In fact I live within 350 yards of a large substation but I'm not complaining about the station and accompanying pylons. Speaking as one of the caravan owners referred to, I have no problem with wind turbines(generators). In fact I think that they are rather graceful and do not detract from the beauty of the surrounding countryside. Generating power by harnessing the wind is not a new concept. I wonder if any of the previous generations objected to the use of windmills to grind their corn?

Perhaps the objectors to the proposed turbines would prefer to opt out of the national grid and return to candles and parafin for their daily needs. NIMBYism seems to be the order of the day.

Graham

These subsidised monsters wouldn't be quite as abhorrent if they actually worked - the fact is they are so unreliable in their supply than they do nothing in terms of C)2 saving - and need 100% back up from conventional power supplies to stop the lights from going out (run at a back-up and inefficient way)