Is Shropshire crop circle a message from outer space?
Could this huge crop circle discovered in a Shropshire wheat field be a cryptic message from outer space?
Could this huge crop circle discovered in a Shropshire wheat field be a cryptic message from outer space?
According to UFO investigators, the 400-metre wide shape which appeared ‘overnight’ in a field by the western foothills of The Wrekin, mirrors the current position of the planets and could be from another world.
But according to farmer Ed Turner, who owns the field, it’s a case of ‘trespass and vandalism’ that’s caused hundreds of pounds of damage to his crop.
Extra terrestrial investigator Darren Perks, from UFO Shropshire, said: “Confirmed reports from local farmers say it appeared between 11pm on Saturday and 6am on Sunday.
“The circle represents a mirror type image of the pattern and location of the Moon, Saturn, Mars and the star Spica, also known as Spitor, which can be seen in the south western sky.
“It could maybe point to an event that’s about to happen in the near future as other crop circles that appeared in the UK and Europe in recent weeks have related to a similar pattern. This is great for Shropshire and something that people should take in with an open mind.”
But farmer Mr Turner, from Aston, called the crop circle a publicity stunt.
“I was away last week and they have obviously done it over several nights,” he said.
“Its trespass and vandalism and has caused around £600 worth of damage to my crops.”
What do you think of the mysterious crop circles? Let us know in the comments section below:
Comments for: "Is Shropshire crop circle a message from outer space?"
Chris
Thats interesting comments by the farmer. I have cctv on my house and I live right by the field where this crop circle appeared. I saw no one in there at night time and I walk the dog up there late at night and early morning. Plus other residents would have seen people mucking about. This is not the work of people trying to fake things its too accurate with what it reprents in the night sky for this. Ed is wrong he is jsut miffed about the damage that's all. Me and my wife also saw some weird looking orange lights moving about the area near our home last weekend and they were no aircraft I can tell you.
Unexplained thats all we can say.
Peter
So Chris, are you in essence saying an alien did this? You should be careful about walking your dogs so early in the morning you might get beamed up by the 'orange lights'. Ridiculous.
Peter
Chris, one possible explanation... was it you?
Sarah
You're right. Unless Chris owns up I'm calling the FBI.
Shany
Great one Peter! Haha!
The farmer sure is a smart guy!
Andy
Don't worry Chris, some people cannot think out of the box ad are very much stuck in it! Provethat it is ridiculous Peter!
AC
Prove that it's aliens Andy!!! It can be seen fairly easily how it could be made by people... the burden of proof falls onto those who propose more outlandish causes.
Brandon
I whole heartedly believe in intelligent life in the universe. It's ludicrous to think otherwise. And I'm also starting to believe that perhaps "they" were here in our ancient past, however, I feel that these crop circles are nothing but a hoax. I do have a few questions regarding this though: 1. Why "send" or shall I say, "imprint" coded messages in wheat fields? For beings who are supposedly thousands or maybe even million years more advanced, wouldn't you think maybe just maybe they can
Han
you saw no one at night time, yet you did see orange lights?
Tamas
The blindnes,stupidnes and ego of humanity
make me think that we deserve to be slaves and no more!
People like Shany before 1942 wanted to burn Columbus alive becouse he said,earth is not flat,its rounded!
Peace!
julian
Nobody wanted to burn Columbus. The Greeks demonstrated the Earth was a sphere a thousand years or more before Columbus. Columbus's journey had nothing to do with proving the Earth wasn't flat. He didn't sail in 1942 either, but I'll give you that one as a typo :)
pickaxe
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
e.t
i confess...it was me..e.t
Rob, Telford
If I was the farmer I think my first words to Darren Perks and his chums would be best summed up as "UFO"
UFO Shropshire
No offence to the farmer but he is not looking at some factors here. Firstly other locals would have seen people doing this. It would have taken a long time to produce and fake a crop circle this big and exact in regards to the positions of the plants Saturn, Mars and the star Spica/Spitor wich are in the night sky currently. Secondly all the wheat was flattened in a clock wise directions with no stems broken and no tops broken. Thirdly there were no signs that people had walked thrugh the crop as you would clearly have been able to see the trails left. If people tried to fake this with rope and a bit of wood then they cannot get it looking exactly the same all the wa through the formation. Also on the utside of the crop circle were three semi circle faint patterns.The wheat within these was again not broken but it was not flattened it was cut. if you measure the degrees of the semi circles and the crop cicle they are pefect. You cannot do this with rope, wood and your best mate. As for a publicity stunt, who gains from it? No one has to date and if anything farmers have been knwon to try and fake crop circles to make money by charging people to view them.
We don't know who did this but we don't think it was faked. Look at the bigger picture.
Peter
Could this huge crop circle discovered in a Shropshire wheat field be a cryptic message from outer space?
No. It couldn't.
David Gregory
Really? What is it then Peter, Fairies...
I think some people walk around with blinkers on constantly. The factors are clearly there and if you do your own research you will see that it does look like a mirror image of the current positions of those planets and star.So if it was faked then they must have been wizards because you could not do that. like UFO Shropshire says above.
Peter
Factors? Research? You seem to have taken neither into consideration.
There have been many crop circles created since the 1970s. There are also many people who admit to making them as a pastime - often far more complex than this rather indifferent effort.
As for it not being possible to make something that looks like a mirror image of a current planetary line up, I wonder if it might be possible to take, say, an illustration of the line up, and devise some tool which would show you a mirror image of that? Yes - I have it - you could use a mirror!
Phil
Actually Peter you are wrong (again), crop circles have been around since the 19th century and are well documented. Thing is my friend if you think it was being faked using a mirror, how come this crop circle matches to the exact degree of alignment? You cannot do that holding a mirror.
GB
What is it?
It's clearly Rolie Polie Olie.
http://img.getglue.com/tv_shows/rolie_polie_olie/normal.jpg
And he has a spaceship.
So that settles it.
Jamie
I haven't done my research, so have not seen the proof that this is an "exact" match, though for which "exact" time? As the moon appears to move half a degree per hour. However, if it is, then fakers would be able to achieve that result more easily than you might suspect.
There is plenty of free computer software that will plot the positions of any astronomical objects, at any time in the future or past, as seen from any position on earth. You can then print this out and some elementary trigonometry would allow you to scale it up.
BamBam
Oh Peter, where's your sense of adventure? Don't be a stick in the mud, enjoy it and the stories around it. I love reading the bizzare theories, its what makes me chuckle, and chuckling is a good thing, its healthy for you.
Laura Watton
im not sure the farmer is enjoying the adventure. That field represents a years work. If i went to a shop in the middle of the night, stamped £600 worth of stock to the floor... - would that be ok aslong as i made it into a pretty, galactic pattern and blamed it on the aliens? Im pretty sure id be classed as a vandal and arrested.
Dixpic
Dear Peter, try to do it, together with your friends, even in broad daylight, with all the time at your disposal. goes well with the paint on a paved yard ... no problem. Know that the circle indicates the conjunction between Mars and Saturn, Spica of August 4, 2012. there were four other crop circles indicating the date this year, if you want you can try to copy one of those ... Bye
AC
Only after fully eliminating terrestrial origins should you start looking further afield (no pun intended). And you really haven't eliminated the possibility that it's just people have you? The human race is capable of all sorts of ingenuity and mind-boggling tricks... flattening some corn to make a pattern is hardly beyond the wit of man. Or are you maybe judging the rest of the species on your own limited intellectual and creative abilities?
As for them having some astronomical significance, such a simple and abstract design could be interpreted to mean any number of things and even if it does pertain to some alignment of the planets, why would you assume that people who are capable of working out how to make these things (which you are not btw) were also unable to consult an astronomical chart? Besides which, why would aliens bother? Who would the message be for?! Who in the universe would the aliens be trying to communicate with in such a strange, impractical medium? You're putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 748,943,192.73.
Peter
a) I couldn't do it, and b) I wouldn't waste my time trying. I couldn't paint the Mona Lisa either - are you suggeting that aliens painted that?
However, for whatever reason, there are groups who do this sort of thing for a hobby - try googling 'Matt Ridley' or 'Circlemakers'.
Who cares what it represents celestically-speaking? If you know that then I'm sure many thousands of other would, and the fact that there are others apparently pointing to the same date might represent nothing more than one of the hoaxers' birthdays!
Why are you so gullible as to believe all this junk science? Where is your evidence that these are anything bit man-made?
It's a prank - pure and simple, and if it wasn't for the fact that all this bunkum seems to be the hobby of one of the Star's staff it would never have made the press...
Susan
Peter, Where is the proof that it was faked, because myself and quite a few others have spoken to local residents who all seemed to think that no one could have done this so accurately....
AC
Susan... what proof do you require?! Nothing will ever be good enough for you UFO fans, not even people admitting that they made these! If someone was to post on here saying that they were the person/people who made this, you'd dismiss them as liars, or you'd say "oh maybe you did make this one but all the others were made by aliens".
Like people trying to argue for the existence of god, the onus is on you, as the purveyors of outlandish and unlikely explainations to provide proof. And again, if you really think that people couldn't do something like this, you have an extremely un-flattering and unfair opinion of the capabilities of your fellow humans. We can send a man to the moon but we can't covertly make a geometric design in a field?!?!
Peter
Susan,
Surely given that it is a known fact that a) more complex patterns than this have been man-made (by the makers' own admissions!) and b) that we would have to disregard huge amounts of proven science to allow for it to made by 'non human' intervention, isn't the burden of proof on you to prove such outrageous claims?
And I'm looking for real evidence - the sort that real science provides, rather than the sort that says 'there was a bloke who walked along by that field once and he was followed by a UFO etc...)'.
John Atkinson and Roy Dutton (below) urge us to have an open mind - I do!
Forget the idea that Reiki claims to use a fictitious and entirely undetectable 'Universal Life Force Energy', forget that many so-called homeopathic remedies cannot contain a single molecule of their alleged active ingredient, and forget the idea that little grewen men are making crop circles! None of them stand up to even the most limited of scientific scrutiny.
I was delighted when thorough scientific experiment gave us further evidence of the theoretically-predicted Higgs Boson particle - it further revealed the nature of our origins - yet there are those of some faiths for example, whose minds are closed to these facts.
People will believe what they will - whether its in their gods, their snake oil remedies or their imaginary visitors - but please don't confuse any of this with science.
To believe something without proper repeatable evidence to the exclusion of all the relevant facts is to have a genuinely closed mind...
The Original Jake
You can see the line of broken stalks where the pranksters have tried to move from the tramlines to the inner circle (leading off the inner circle at about 10 o'clock).
Candleflower
"Thirdly there were no signs that people had walked thrugh the crop as you would clearly have been able to see the trails left."
This comment is patently ridiculous as there are a load of tractor marks bisecting the crop circle (as there are in all the photos I've seen). Noone would have to walk across the crop to get there.
The other arguments are just as flawed. I've been shown how to make a maze and it's easy enough to make perfect shapes.
Rupert Barrington Black
obviously extra terrestrial visitors for the London Olympics wishing to avoid the queues at Heathrow.
doubter
I am gobsmacked to think the "damage" done is said to be £600 for what is a very small part of the field.
If visitors from outer space had/have travelled many many Billions nah Trillions of miles to visit Earth you would think they would tap into our ways of communications ie Radio, or even upto date internet :) and why is it they only "visit" when crops are coming into ripen..crop circles all Faked and i am open minded, but i know the gulf of space is massive and the techology used to transverse it would mean the being have a superiour intellect and would most like "laugh" at these circles.
Kate
Of course it isnt from outer space, for goodness sake it is trespass and vandalism which happens regularly across the country. The people commenting above are deluded!
H. St. John Peasbody
It's clear that this is another protest by dairy farmers about milk prices.
Mike
Cost him £600 then! but where are the cows???????????????????
peter horler
Dozens of wood pigeons were discovered underneath the "lay or weave" of the wheat stalks against the soil.There was no blood spatter or trauma to the corpses so we may deduce from this that whatever formed the crop circle may have killed the birds too !
Doubter
Of course there was!! not forgetting the cattle mutilations or the probing of a certain species backsides.
Darren Perks
I can back Peter up on this, there were some birds found there like that. Apparently someone has range Radio Shropshire to say they did it....
Great can we now see the proof and videos. Although a member of staff at the Radio station tells me they didnt check out anyhow.
Lots of skeptics reacting to this as I expected which is good. Typical response. Thanks Peter for this comment.
The Original Jake
The thing about sceptics is that they are all potential believers. All that's required is proof. Simple, really.
Shropsman
I don't propose to offer a solution either way as to how these circles have appeared, but genuinely wonder if someone who follows the line that this is a wanton act of vandalism can tell me how it's done ... seriously.
I get the tie a pice of rope round a stake with a plank of wood at the other end theory, but surely this would have a damaging effect on the crop between the centre point and circumference as well ?
Plus how accurate is this apparent 'positioning' of the stars/planets to each other - although this is easy enough to see from the air, at ground level surely you would need some pretty advanced GPS positioning equipment to get it all right ??
It's difficult to get a scale of size from this image above but assuming the 'tramlines' are tractor tyre marks, this must be a pretty big effort - can the Shropshire Star provide a second image with dimensions etc overlaid to give readers some clairty of scale ?
One commentator above suggests it can't be fake as there's no evidence of people walking through the crops to get access to the site - surely they would have had the sense to use the existing tractor lines to walk along
But most importantly, if it is a stunt, what's the purpose ??? who stands to gain from it - as the report suggests, it must have taken quite some time and effort to put together -= is there a space alien related movie due out soon which the farmer has secretly been paid to allow this to be done ?? but then, would it be worth it for just local coverage - wouldn't a marketing company want to guarantee themselves national publicity ??
Jamie
Shropsman, if you're interested in how it can be done there is quite a good article on Wikipedia here :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
Bower and Chorley, the most famous CC hoaxers, claim to have made more than 200. Some of the documented fakes are far more complex than this one. In answer to the question about the line and centre point, they used a cap with a line on it - so it was higher than the crop. As regards the alignment of planets and stars, I would like see the photo showing the correlation matches exactly and why choose those particular bodies? It's likely there would be a match for some combination of planets and stars, especially if you include "mirror" images!
Shropsman
Very interesting and all make sense. Thank you.
Still would like to know what purpose behind such a hoax is. It's a heck of a lot of time and effort to go to to then get no credit for your work.
AC
To mess with peoples' heads!?!?! And of course, they get to see their artwork in the press.
They don't claim ownership of the circles for two reasons: firstly, because of the criminal damage aspect. Secondly; when they make the circles, they have no way of viewing the finished work from directly above... but they don't need to when there's people who believe in alien visitations because those people (or the media pandering to those delusions) will go to the expense of hiring a plane/helicopter to take a photo which will then end up published somewhere. The idea of creating an "artwork" but having to wait days to actually see the finished result properly, probably appeals too.
Colin.Dodd.
One poster, Chris, said the locals would have seen people doing this. That being so, wouldn't they have also seen the UFO that allegedly made these circles, or are they invisible, silent, and, apparently, nocturnal.
I think it was the pixies.
John Jones Pontesbury
We caught people near Pontesbury trying to fake a crop circle and they had made a right mess of it. Plus can I just point out that I know the Farmers in that area near the Wrekin and that land does not belong to Ed Turner. Shropshire Star you got the wrong bloke here. Also the people claiming to have done this who Radio Shropshire reported on are trying to wind people up by saying they did it, that's not true so please everyone don't jump to conclusions here. We don't know what or who did it.
local resident
Yes, the land is not owned, it is rented by Edward Turner, meaning that he planted the crop and is the only one losing money from this.
Barry Gittens
Actuall my uncle Ian Gittens owns that field and crop and Ed Turner has nothing to do with it. It's clear here that the wrong people have been asked about this. I met the UFO Shropshire guys with my uncle at the field because they asked permission to go in it first which many others did not do. Myself and my uncle do not think this was faked either.
AC
Lol, so it was aliens then? Despite the fact that there are people who admit to going round making these circles, you still believe that there's some extra-terrestrial or supernatural explaination?
Anyone with any sense only has to look at the picture to see how the circle was made... the tractor lines directly through the middle of the circle should give it away!!!! It's insane that anyone would think any different!!! This isn't a difference of opinion... this is fact versus wild, spurious conjecture.
Peter
So the 'logic' of the 'ufologists' appears to be this:
I couldn't make a crop circle, neither could they, so despite the fact that there are numerous examples of far more complex circles than this being man made by artists, hoaxers and others with presumably nothing better to do, they jump to the wholly unsupportable conclusion that this was made by aliens - is that it?
Given that such a conclusion would involve throwing away much of what we've learnt about science since the age of enlightenment, I'm assuming that the 'ufologists' also believe in other errant nonsense, such as Reiki healing and homeopathy...
Do the boundaries of bad science know no bounds?
P.S. The 'Peter' posting in message #1 here is not me... though I'm in sympathy with his scepticism.
Roy Dutton
Just one thing Peter, none of the ufologists have acutally said at any point that they thought is was extra-terrestrials that made this. They said that they didnt think any human was capable of doing suh a think becaise of the factors against that notion. You should open up my firned Rekki and other spiritual items work its just that our 'science' at the monent will not accept it because the powers that be can't think outside the box.
AC
Talk sense Roy. It makes no difference what cause the "ufologists" ascribe to the circles... all that's clear is that they don't believe people would be capable/motivated enough to create these things.... a stance which, as an intelligent human being who is more than capable of creating this sort of thing, I find insulting.
Jim Holmes
I find you insulting AC for having lack of ability to see the oter side of the story and consider all facts. Instead you are makign a complete fool of yourself with your comments. Typical sceptic with big blinkers on....
AC
Oh Jim, I have to agree. I spoke to my mate and he says this one wasn't him so I have no choice at all but to admit that these circles are indeed not man-made and are most certainly messages from the stars. Wow, the scales have fallen from my eyes and I see now that my demands for actual evidence are completely unreasonable. I'll have to re-visit certain other phenomena that I had previously believed to be non-existent. I'm sorry Nessie that I ever doubted your existence, apologies to the faeries too and of course any vampires, ghosts, werewolves or yetis that I may have offended.
Andrew finch
Well the guy who rents the land here is the only person affected by all this , who cares about the owner its on par with saying the building society who lent the homeowner the money to buy his house is the real owner of that house , very pedantic .
Either way a vandal did it and i suggest putting our pcso in all crop fields to keep an eye out.
UFO Spotter
See that Big yellow thing in the sky that we havent seen very much of this summer...... UFO!!!!
scammersalerts
Okay, I get it... We don't know who did it, we don't know how they did it, and now we're not sure who actually owns the land!!!
Urm, is this a real photo?
Has anyone other than the people in the report been there to check it's existence?
And aren't we missing the bigger picture here? This is new to the shropshire area, usually these things happen in Wiltshire so have we got some sort of attraction to the creators of this imagery?
Funny how its so near to Much Wenlock and it's London Olympics this year...
Mmmm ...
JOHN JONES
Yes; This is our first Gold Medal in the Olympics!!!!!!!!!
local resident
Definately Aliens....i saw them in their spaceship jumping up and down on the Wheat last week whilst munching on dead pigeons!! oh they were with some flying pigs too!
local resident
Definately Aliens.....I saw them with my own eyes dancing in the field and eating dead pigeons.......Oh and I also saw some flying pigs that night!! That is all....
little green man
'Is Shropshire crop circle a message from outer space?'
No. Nor is this.
AC
As has already been pointed out, the people who think these things are made by aliens are deluded. Stating that these things are man-made is nothing to do with being narrow-minded, it's to do with common-sense. Really, if an alien race had the technology to visit our plant and evade our radar systems, why would they choose to mark their visit by making crop circles? Would they not have better things to do?! Personally, when I go on holiday somewhere, I very rarely mark my visit by graffiting a massive picture, just to let the locals know I'd enjoyed my stay.
I cannot believe that with so many people willing to go on public-record saying that they have created crop-circles, anyone could still seriously believe that these things are made by aliens. Surely, a scientific mind would go with the balance of probability and assign them terrestrial origins?
I know a bloke that makes crop circles and the only reason he does it is to wind up the gulible folk who take this stuff seriously... like the poor deluded souls who look at any unfocused, poorly-framed photo of "mysterious" objects in the sky and, rejecting the prosaic for strange and self-serving reasons, argue till they're blue in the face that it's an alien. There was one on here a year or two ago which was clearly a photo of a hang-glider; the reasons put forth by the ufo-brigade for it not being a hang-glider were hilarious but scared me a little; I hadn't imagined that people with such a tenuous grip on reality would be allowed access to the outside world.
I firmly believe there's life on other planets but it seems unlikely they've visited us... if they're able to observe us at all, I reckon all the nutters will have scared them off by now.
Anonymous
Mayan calendar predicts the end of the word on (21st december) which is meant to be from a natural disaster, a solar flare explosion! That's a future event which is due to alignment and would be a big coincidence for the crop circle to appear on the 21st, which would count the perfect halfway point as they had 13 months! Just a thought!
christian
I saw lights in the sky that night that were not a helicopter or a plane at around 2.30am
Kat de gama
I would like to know what message the aliens are trying o convey!!!
Fiona
Headphones, Volume up on Youtube Gateway 888. Enjoy.
dairy farmer
Alien message,
We don't believe anything the GRADUATE says either .
Fiona
:) :) :) I'm nearly as bright as the GRADUATE.
grumpo
I think its a memorial to the late Chief Executive Kim Ryley.
If you look at photos of Ryley elsewhere on this site there is a resemblance and after all he always seemed to be on a different planet to the rest of us.
Lianne
Is the picture shown the actual circle that appeared below the Wrekin? I was up there this morning and took photos of a crop circle, but it is different to the one in the photo. Are there two, or is the one shown just a random photo?
scammersalerts
Yes there are actually 3/4 crop circles in the Telford area, see crop circle connector for more info.
There is the one photographed above, it is debated that the pailer "moon" like phases next to it are actually part of this same one or coincidentally placed... There is one over at Wenlock woods which is visible from the top of the wrekin (several circles in alignment) one a little farther from the wrekin which is being classed as a ghost of an attempt from last year, and one at Lawley...
Make of all this what you will but I'm not sure they could all be fake!!
Lianne
Thanks for that scammersalerts. Very interesting. I'm not sure what to make of these things, I know they can, and have, been faked, but I like to keep an open mind. I don't believe we can be the only planet in this vast universe where intelligent life exists.
AC
Why would aliens communicate like this?! Who are they communicating with?! How can you accept that some are faked but not others?! It's insane!
Roy Dutton
Lianne you are perfectly right. AC: You need to get out more and open your eyes my friend ;-)
AC
You're right Roy... maybe I'll go and help my hoaxer mate next time he makes a crop circle.
Dekka
Has the area been checked for any contamination ie radiation levels?
scammersalerts
Hi Dekka, U raise a good question as the reports regarding the pigeons are quite disturbing. If these are indeed manmade then there are either some very sick people for harming the flying rodents, or some people that might want to seek medical attention as the pigeons deaths would beg the question of atmospheric contamination, or those people claiming to have witnessed these dead birds are in fact misleading people with the claim... Or the non-humans did it!!!!
Either way it does make for a good question...
sordid
Funny to think that a super intelligent alien species would try to communicate with us by making patterns in a field.
It's the equivalent of us humans flying to an primitive alien planet and writing graffiti with our own faeces.
scammersalerts
If anyone wants to see further info / pictures regarding shropshire crop circles take a look at crop circle connector... Fascinating theories and good photography too!!
Oh and what about the small matter of the crop circle almost perfectly opposite this one on the other side of wrekin at wrekin woods??
No chance could "fakers" get it that bob on by accident nor by organised thinking!!
Just saying...
SLR
Simple. Use a GPS, infact, most smart phones now have a GPS which would be accurate enough to get a couple of circles "bob on"....
Roy Dutton
No it wouldn't. You need engineer type lasers to get it spot on and even then they would have to be conencted to very good computer and software which you cant carry in your bac pocket. Mobile phone gps are always approx 5 to ten meters out and are not exactly accurate.
Jamie
Roy, you don't need lasers to get it "spot on", as we are talking about crops here. The accuracy level achievable is only down to the width of a stalk - so we are not dealing with sub-millimetre precision!
GPS would only be needed to decide your latitude and longitude. A simple phone app would calculate the position of planets and as the moon moves 13 degrees in 24 hours the precision of that marker is pointless!
As for how precise this actually is: who has established the accuracy? What what is measured with? The photo will not have enough pixels to get down to a single crop stem and a simple rope and centre point will describe a circle to within 1mm.
John atkinson
Okay SLR.Please get out there and enlighten us,with your outstanding skills.
AC
It's fine if you lack the intelligence, imagination and physical ability to produce something like this, but please, please stop insulting your fellow humans by insisting that there are none amongst us who could.
Of course "fakers" would be capable of something like this. And while we're at it "fakers" isn't correct; the people who made these aren't claiming that they're made by UFO's; the "ufologists" (another misnomer, implying as it does a degree of officialness, professionalism and importance which is entirely lacking) are the ones claiming they're made by aliens... you can't honestly label someone else a faker when you're the ones trying to manipulate reality to conform to your own fantasies.
Shane
AC: I have been following your comments and you are out to really try and ridicule this aren't you?
You also missed what Roy said. "none of the ufologists have acutally said at any point that they thought is was extra-terrestrials that made this. They said that they didnt think any human was capable of doing suh a think becaise of the factors against that notion"
So you are basically saying that anything to do with extra-terrestrial life and the possibility that there is life out there is pure fantasy and all the witnesses around the world who have seen and experienced things that are non conventional and after thorough investigation cannot be explained, are telling lies and dreamnt it....
My friend you are now of the minority with your views.
AC
Shane: Maybe if you read my comments properly you would have seen that I do indeed believe in life on other planets. My point is that if aliens came to this planet, why would they communicate with us or each other in this way?
As for believing that humans are not capable of this, really?! Despite all the things we can do as a race, you don't think we can do this!? Your line of arguing is known as "argumentum ad ignorantiam"... the notion that just because you can't see how something is done, no-one else would be capable of it either. Like failing to see how David Blane performs a trick and making the logical jump that he must in fact be a wizard.
So the things which you accuse me of "basically saying" I haven't actually said... typical ufo-spotter, ghost-hunting, conspiracy theorist contribution to a discussion.
Of course, maybe I'm being unfair to you.. after all, you've only got my word for it that I know at least one guy who goes round creating these circles...
Lenton Shake
Aliens didn't do this. Cats did. Probably the same ones that have been wreaking havoc in my back garden. They soiled my lawn and made a particularly clumsy attempt at a crop circle depicting the Mappa Mundi in my herbaceous border. Probably a ruse to get at the wren that scuttles about in the privet. It's about time this shambolic government got tough with cats.
Rob, Telford
I'm something of a cat fan myself, but this comment made me laugh! Lenton's theory would certainly explain the expired pigeons allegedly found at the site...
John atkinson
FOR ALL YOU DOUBTERS.Please note that this field is in close proximity to the nearby Wrekin Course.It was whilst driving along this road in the mid 1970`s that a local man,(down to earth type,with no particular idea that ufo`s existed then),was followed alongside,and was kept pace with at a distance of about 100yards ,by a "bloody huge"glowing, disc shaped craft,whilst on his way to work at G.K.N. at about 05.30 hours.He was the only road-user at the time,it was pitch dark,and he was desperately hoping for another car to share his sighting with,but,he was alone.By the time that he reached the farm on the left,after the old firing range on the right he lost sight of it,( + it SHOOK HIM UP) !!He is ex military for the record.!! However,as he reached the reservoir at the bottom of the road - it was positioned in a hovering position waiting on his left again.He then turned right to travel to Wellington via the forest glen,and was very relieved not to encounter it again.There have been many such reports in this area,as well as glowing orange spheres,and other craft.Please keep an open mind.
Doubter
Great Story.
Not evidence though.
SLR
I MADE THE CROP CIRCLES!
I have absolutely no evidence for this, but it seems the less evidence and thought process behind peoples conclusions the better. I did it whilst taking my flying pig out for its evening glide.
GB
I still would like to know what the purpose is behind travelling interstellar distances and doing this in the middle of the night. It's a heck of a lot of time and effort to go to then get no credit for your work.
Doubter
Next monday at 6.31am see's Nasa'S newest Mars explorer the biggest and best yet, it will do various scientific test's, geology explore etc, we are a primative species in terms of timelines of the known universe but we do have some intelligence inc means of communication, i'd imagine any "visitors" to earth would do the same rather than leave pretty patterns in crops between may/sept where do they go out of Crop Seasons? whats the point..
DevilsChair
Never mind who what why etc - Mr farmer, set up a food and drink stand, a viewing point some UFOd wheatsheafs a website and guided tours - £600 quid will be soon a past problem. Sorted. :)
David Hodden
To be fair the response to this has been typical with alot of people saying it's rubbish. But that's fine, the guys that investigated this did the right thing and that's what investigators in the UFO community do. Without people liek them reporting stuff like this is goes untold and ignored. Darren is well known as a ufolgist in UFO circles not only in the UK but around the world and fair play to him. He din't have to report this but I know that he loves Shropshire and is passionate about what he does and if you do get the chance to speak to him you will see that he is a nromal down to earth bloke and not your stero typical person that you get related to this subject in films etc. His UFO Shropshire group has done well and they have alot of support.
People being negative about these things is not the way forward and it just shows peoples true colours when they rant and rave about things like this being rubbish. It's down to a simple understanding and if people actually tak the time to look into this and do a bit of research the will see will see how complex it really is.
Pat on the back to the Shropshire Star for reporting this on crop circles and the stuff they report on the UFO subject. Thanks.
David Hodden
Excuse the spelling mistakes, damm iphone keyboard!
AC
So he's well known amongst other people who hold the same outlandish views? So what?
I'm happy more than happy to "show my true colours"... you make it sound like anyone who is skeptical of this stuff is following some hidden agenda! The argument I'm putting forward isn't that there are no aliens, no flying saucers etc, it's simply that crop circles are man-made, blatantly so. Explain to me how the crop circles could be created by any other agency than man?
"It’s down to a simple understanding and if people actually tak the time to look into this and do a bit of research the will see will see how complex it really is."
No, it's down to simple blind faith and seeing what you want to see. Point me in the direction of creditable sources and I'll happily do more research. I am actually really interested in this sort of thing and the paranormal in general; My skeptism towards this sort of thing is a considered viewpoint and not the knee-jerk reaction you seem to assume.
Richard Hall
Creditable sources....
No offence my friend but all you have to do is get on the internet and google search military UFO witnesess, police UFO witnesses, Government UFO witnesses, Astronaut UFO witnesses etc etc. The list is endless. Maybe you shlould alo read up on the disclosure project which in itself is creditable and run by people who hold and used to hold high authorative positions.
You make your view sound like you would say religion is rubblish... so is that blind faith also?
Where is proof of God and all the stories in the bible....
Same goes my friend for this subject. No solid proof but plenty of people. Plenty of ancient evidence in scrolls and and carvings.
I'm also well known in the UFO community and I support all who try and get to the bottom of this phenomena. People shoul respect what we are trying to do and not be so negative about it.
Drone
@Richard Hall
"Blind faith" is precisely what religion is!!
Love your stand-up though.
AC
Richard Hall: I've done plenty of "research" as you call it... and yes, there are plenty of strange types out there willing to make strange claims and lend credence to bizarre ideas. The claims of Von Daniken and his ilk are unconvincing at best.
LOL! Yes, I do class religion as a load of rubbish actually because it is exactly as you say, blind faith. Not sure what your point is there... are you trying to say that "ufology" is as valid as religion because if you are, then I agree totally. Actually, religion does have the edge over you in some respects; it's harder to get your head round the big-bang theory than it is to figure out how a couple of people might flatten some corn in a geometric pattern.
Occam's razor my friend, a basic reasoning principle which is discarded totally by the religious and the ufo-fans.
"People shoul respect what we are trying to do and not be so negative about it."
Ok, what is it you're trying to do?! I'd have much more respect for ufology if it's adherents were able to demonstrate that they approach these phenomena in a scientific and logical way. Jumping from "someone's flattened some corn in a field" to "it must be aliens" is not logical, scientific or even sane.
Andrew finch
Well if it is aliens what benefits or housing will they be entitled to?? or .could it have been a property developer marking out a future estate to house brummies as these lot seem to be encroaching in to shropshire rather a lot these day, "yow now what i mean"
Pete Jones
Hey, someing is going on because in Wiltshire there have been two crop circles connected to the Wrekin one and all the alignments suggest some sort of event on the 4th August 2012. All over the net people in different countries are talking about the G20 heads of state meeting in London on 4th August which at the same time Saturn, Mars an other astronimical objects all line up in space. Is some big announcement or world changing event goig to happen this Saturday?
If this does happen then we coul say that he signs (circles) were clearly there...
Drone
Yes, it's the coming of the Anti-Christ.
AC
So not only are aliens descending from space and drawing all over our fields, they're also fortune tellers now are they?
What's the alignment of planets got to do with anything anyway? This sounds supiciously like astrology to me... I wonder what star-sign the aliens are?
Kevin
Never mind star sign, we wonder what planet AC is from?
Where did you say you got your blinkers from?
AC
Yeah, yeah, blinkers, narrow mind, yada-yada.
If you mean that I don't just believe any old rubbish I read on the internet, then I'm happy enough to be labelled as blinkered/narrow-minded etc, in fact, within this context I take it as a compliment.
explorer
David Hodden, I hate to break it to you but this was merely reported by Darren, not found. Thanks to scammersalerts suggestion of crop circle connector I have seen on there that someone reported the photographed circle above on the Saturday morning. Therefore the association with the lights in the sky is actually inaccurate!! Also the original report makes no suggestion of dead birds so I believe that to be incorrect or not connected!!
Can I just highlight that although shropshire star are brave to broach this subject, I applaud you, they do need to thoroughly research there story as this info is all easily found on google and Facebook!!
Sorry guys but this might dent the theory of it occuring Saturday night at the time of the supposed sighting in line with Darrens report...
Please research this particular phenomenon more thoroughly in future everyone, as we are otherwise feeding the hoaxers exactly what they want, media coverage!!
Pete Jones
Actually I know the pilot who took that image (Jim) and he actually flew over it at approx 0830 on the Sunday morning. He flys out of Sleap Airfield near Wem in Shropshire. The crop circle connector report was inaccurate because they could not get hold of anyone that had actually been on the ground on the Sunday morning. The gentelman who wrote the commetns and report on that website lives no where near Shropshire and based his information purely on speaking to people vai he telphone and internet as the news came out from locals including UFO Shropshire. If you read all this properly and watch the Youtube video on the UFO Shropshire don't actually state anything about dead birds. Someone else who went up there a day later found the dead birds on closer inspection of the wider area within the circle and field. This is fact.
Drone
It's impossible to "read all this properly" as it's gibberish. This is fact too.
Dr Edward Reece
Don't you just the sceptics, I bet the people who investigated this are laughing their socks off because of all this humour you provide reading these comments.
AC
I imagine the people who are laughing most of all, are the ones who made this circle.
Fiona
Relatively harmless debate though isn't it? Everyone enjoys escapism at some point. Anyone read Prince Charles' book; Harmony? Sacred geometry fascinating stuff?
Fiona
My father is a retired pilot he has never mentioned a crop circle but he has spoken of the mother of pearl effect above cloud, that is special.