Letter: Nature reserve walk spoiled by dog mess

On Friday, July 6, my husband and I came to Welshpool, and decided to call at the local Nature Reserve. Somewhere to have a nice walk as we thought with our two dogs.

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On Friday, July 6, my husband and I came to Welshpool, and decided to call at the local Nature Reserve. Somewhere to have a nice walk as we thought with our two dogs.

There are signs around the area ‘clean up after your dog’. This is something we always do. We were disgusted with the amount of dog poo around the place. We felt so sorry for the coach load of very young children and their teachers that were there also.

There are no bins to put dog poo bags in, and there are no bins for general litter. What kind of place is this? This can be such a wonderful place for visitors, but a letdown it is..

Anne and Richard Humphries

Wem

Comments for: "Letter: Nature reserve walk spoiled by dog mess"

Andrew finch

Not rocket science is it you take your rubbish with you .

ED

I sympathise totally, it is the same at the Granville Nature Reserve in Muxton and the lane that leads to the Shropshire golf course. I go running up there every morning and find myself having the added joy of playing, 'dodge the do-do'. To make matters worse there are plenty of bins provided specifically for the disposal of the dog mess.

Of course as I run I see plenty of responsible owners, 'scooping the poop', and disposing of it, and thank you all for this.

For those ignorant enough to let their dog foul anywhere, perhaps you should consider the following;

Toxocariasis is an infection of the round worm Toxocara canis5. It is a zoonotic6 disease that is spread via unwashed vegetables and dog faeces. Young children in particular are at risk due to their weaker immune systems and because they are more likely to expose themselves by ingesting the eggs. A puppy can pass as many as 15,000 eggs per gram of faeces, and they are a major source of environmental contamination.

Each T. canis female can lay up to 700 eggs a day. These are passed out when the dog defecates and can survive for up to three years in soil. After two to three weeks of warm weather the eggs develop into an embryo state, containing larva - this is when they become infective to dogs and people.

The larvae try to migrate through the human body as they would in a dog's, but the human body treats them as foreign material, which causes a reaction and tissue damage.

There are two types of toxocariasis: visceral larva migrans (VLM) and ocular larva migrans (OLM).

In VLM, the larvae reach the liver, causing inflammation and symptoms such as abdominal pain and pyrexia. Most people recover spontaneously.

OLM occurs when a migrating larva reaches the eye. It causes a granuloma to form on the retina, causing significant visual impairment and in severe cases even blindness

Yum yum!

Nick, Telford

I blame the parents.

erics

I've heard the dog's mother is a right bitch!

Two Tone

What about horse poo on the pavements & paths?

All the signs are about dog poo while a horse can leave in one go what it takes my dog a fortnight and often as not it is spread over several meters.

A few decades ago it could perhaps be argued that local residents would rush out and collect horse poo for their gardens but today fertilisers and alike are readily availabe and cheap from so many outlets that residents need not bother.

Come on you horse owners, scoop the poop.

Horse owner

Two Tone - first, horse manure doesn't carry the same disease that dog poo does.

Second, horse manure disintegrates far faster than dog poo and doesn't have the same consistency as carnivore poo.

Third, how exactly do you think a horse rider is going to remove horse manure? Carry a bucket and shovel with them on their horse? Then get off their horse - in the middle of a road, holding up the traffic - while they try to hold onto a horse, a shovel and bag or bucket, then get back onto the horse while holding bucket and shovel? I'd like to see you try that, in fact I'd pay good money for it (and incidentally, people do still use horse manure on their gardens and will remove it from the road to use).

Gary

Keep horses off footpaths!

Martin

Totally agree Gary. Where I live in Bratton the horse owners think they own the Silkin Way and other footpaths and greens. It's their horse so they should clear up the mess. It might not carry disease but I still don't want to tread in it. The council say they will send people to clear it up but why should they have to at the expense of Council Tax payers.

Matt

Horses should not be on the footpath either way.

Rule 54 Highway code.

Two Tone

Horseowner.

1. I accept fully that dog poo indeed presents more of a health hazard than horse poo but that’s not my point. When I walk my dog I’ll scoop to prevent others from walking in it. I do not wish to inconvenience or distress others through any irresponsibility on my part & I’d imagine that I’m reasonably typical in this respect. I scoop for the convenience of others and it is clear to me that horse owners feel they are above such basic civil minded actions and yes still sadly are too many dog owners.

2. As for which degrades first I offer no contrary evidence however when compared pound (lb) for pound (lb) I offer horse poo (call it manure if you like) remains on our country walks and estate footpaths longer than any dog poo does & if you are typical of horse owners then none of you consider the inconvenience you cause to the walkers, cyclists and alike.

3. I have no concerns towards your ‘woes’ of being responsible towards the bowel movements of your steed while you should yet you chose instead only to rack up excuses as to why you cannot do so instead of just admitting that you don’t bother.

And as for turning focus back too me, how if I were a horse owner that I too would struggle with the task of clearing up as I go along, you score zero points. It’s not about me!

Horse poo on the roads is not a problem to me where as horse poo on public footpaths and walkways most definitely is, and why don’t you carry a shovel and suitable sized bags? Unlike us dog owners you won’t have to carry it home yourself if your clever about it, or, as Gary adds, keep your horses off the public footpath.

You don’t really have much of an argument towards your lack of consideration towards other do you?

Matt

It's not a case of carrying disease.

I think it's anti social and offensive, in the same way as kicking over a bin.

If they cant pick it up, don't put the horse in a position to leave it there.

End of.

erics

I was recently in Bruges where they have lots of horses pulling carriages around the streets - you'd think there would be piles of horse manure all over the place, but no, they have a system for ensuring it is not a problem. If people perceive it is enough of a problem, someone will come up with a workable solution to solve the problem.

There are two types of people in life, those that look for problems, and those that look for solutions - what one are you?

huw

try Haughmond Hill in Shrewsbury, the dog poo capital of europe, the council has millions of overpaid senior managers but no litter bins or dog wardens even though it can make children blind

disgracful

The graduate

Haugmond hill adopted the flick with a stick hence no bins .Also on the "it makes kids blind " how many cases of this in the uk??.

twisting my melon

And is this exclusive to kids

Gary

And some dog owners have adopted the disgusting trait of decorating trees and shrubs with plastic bags of canine dung. Why?

liverbird

Haughmond hill is truely disgusting i agree, i used to run there but gave up due to the dog mess, the quarry park is preferable and always free of dogs mess

the problem with haughmond hill is not the people its that it has no dog bins and no cleaning staff its run by the forestry commision anyway not the council!

Mark

I wondered how long it would take someone to lay the blame at door of the council.

Any excuse!

JOHN JONES

huw. Haughmond Hill is in private ownership. Can you state how many people have gone blind, I don't suppose you can. I have been in touch with different authorities after reading about it on previous blogs and the common answer to your question is there has been no reported cases in the last 25 years. We can take it that your not a dog lover then?

AC

John... are you arguing that because there's not been an identified case of dog-poo-blindness-disease in 25 years, there is no issue with people allowing their dogs to defecate on public paths?!

And while we're at it, being a dog-lover or a dog-hater has nothing to do with it.... Getting dog faeces on your shoes is disgusting. If you find the stuff so pleasant, please can you supply me with your address because I have a pair of boots sitting outside right now, plastered in the stuff after a walk round Lilleshall. I'd be more than happy to pop round so you can scrape it off with a stick for me... it makes me sick just thinking about it.

JOHN JONES

AC. My postcode is SY1 3HT No 79, Sorry I did not know that Lilleshall was up Haughmond Hill. Just an interesting point, how would you have managed to play football in the fields that cows had been in, all those cow pats!!!, no today you are spoilt, get some animal poo on the bottom of your shoes and it's the end of the world. TIP; Place the shoe/s on the grass and move your leg about till the offending poo has gone, job done.

Gary

Love dogs - just a strong dislike for the x% of irresponsible owners.

Ann (Canada)

Come to Canada were we have bear poop too which i must say its nothing like dog poo

we have bio degradeable dog poo bags supplied at various places along walking paths,lakes,& places of interest & planty of rubbish bins its brilliant pretty most of us dog lovers do use them

Gary

Intresting - good to hear that the Canadians cater for both dogs and dog lovers. However I'm sure there is a law against that sort of thing over here.

pd

the worst place for it round here is the battlefield heritage site walk, its disgusting up there, i notice the conservative council spends millions cleaning the quarry for the wealthy residents of copthorne and town walls but the real people in harlescott have to put up with dogs muck on our walks

The graduate

It is true streets cleaned, bins emptied with incorrect items in them , dog poo cleaned up in areas such as the mount, kingsland,is far more regular than other areas of

Shrewsbury DISPUTE??? think not.

LP

You may think I'm being a little bit thick here but how do you poo experts know that it is from dogs and not foxes?

The graduate

Fox poo and badger poo is different in colour and texture. Not that i advise picking it up and having a feel.

Powys Geezer

Yes, it's due to the differing diet - you find hair and bone fragments in fox which is absent from dogs.

Woody

So people are blaming the council, having a pop at horse owners and every other excuse in the world apart from the real offenders.... the dog owners.

It is these people who are irresponsible, the ones who never clean up after their dog. If you see it being done report it, take a photo of the owner and pass it on to the council. Tell them to pick it up and embarrass them in front of others and lastly, fine them £1000 everytime no matter what income they are on.

There are no excuses just laziness, selfishness and ignorance on the dog owners part.

eva land

I think the answer is in the title. Nature Reserve which by all accounts will not be a concreted playground but an area of grass and mud. Mud made up of many, many different animals waste so not to be treated like a counter in your kitchen.

In over 30 years as a GP my brother never saw one case of Toxocariasis, despite the welcome introduction of pooper scooping only having emerged in the last 20 years. He saw a lot of problems resulting from allergies, particularly caused by cats and rabbits.

It is the attitude of some people to never take litter home with them or leave things as they should but I agree that more bins should be provided in some places as holding bags of faeces for long periods carries risks to those accompanying children. The flick with a stick off the paths at Haughmond is a preferable and acceptable alternative.

This council was almost the last in the whole country to provide specific dog bins and still has the least provision.

JOHN JONES

I asked for a dog bin to be put in the corner of the sports village by Pimley Manor road a little over 12 months ago, but as yet the council have not acted. Everybody that is complaining here just go down to the sports village and see all the cans, bottles, needles etc that are in the woods, this is humans and not animals that have deposited this rubbish.

sordid

The amount of dog mess at Haughmond Hill is ridiculous. Dog owners who let their pets foul all over the path should be forced to eat it.

martin

Very intelligent and well thought out comment. Glad you took the time and effort to post it.

shrews123

Ha Ha- brilliant. You could get channel 5 to make it into a gameshow. Would keep Venessa Feltz in work. Jeremy Beadle style cameras, when an offending person walks away from a freshly laid one Venessa can jump out in silver lycra and make the offender eat it! you heard it here first.

liverbird

is there a correlation to more dogs mess and the outsourcing privatisation of shropshires street sweeping services ? look at G4S and Veolia for example of how we are not getting value for our taxes when private firms run the services

I for one would rather have a council run service so you get higher quality and importantly know the buck stops with them too

Soggy Sue

Slightly off the subject of dog mess but I'm with you on the privatisation thing. It scares the hell out of me to think that companies like G4S, Serco, etc will be responsible for running prisons and supervising dangerous criminals in the community - if they can't recruit and deploy a few secutity guards, I shudder to think what is going to happen. At least local government and Ministry of Justice employees are committed to coming into work and doing a responsible job!

ben

I agree Haughmond hill is very bad but its run by the forestry commission who are a public sector government owned company! Also the parks like the Quarry which people say are excellent are not cleaned by council staff any more but by private firms like Veolia and Ringway.

So its not a case of privatisation is always bad (though sometimes it is). There are good street cleaners and bad street cleaners in public and private sector it doesnt make them any better or worse whoever employs them. Its the same with hospitals where high infection rates are linked to cleaning staff, some are run in house and are still just as bad, its about individuals taking a pride in their job regardless of who pays their wages.

eva land

Don't you think that this situation was predetermined? After all those in charge have probably worked out that we might as well use our forces that are already being paid for the security of our country.

I can think of analogies in the private sector where staff just have to manage and cover for staff that have been asked to do other duties so the employer ends up getting paid twice.

martin

Have I missed something? Are they going to use the Army to patrol Haughmond Hill to make sure dog owners pick up dog poo? Seems a bit excessive!

erics

i think you will find they are referring to the use of the Army to provide security at the Olympics - a job that G4S were given a contract to do.

JOHN JONES

They already do, the Major can be seen up Haughmond Hill with his new dog and a shovel,picking up any dog mess on the paths and depositing it in the woods, Early Saturday mornings.

Jack

All dog owners who do not immediately clear up after their pets are card carrying, selfish, anti-social morons. Enough said.

rhi

i agree horses should not be on paths at all as the size of horse poo is considerably larger than dog poo and it covers a wider area and yes if dog owners are expcted to clean up so should they.

Al

When will the council realise people want basics like dog bins with their taxes and not stupid concrete "art"

in time for the next election perhaps? Back to BASICS!

Gazzo

I am a responsible dog owner and 'scoop the poop', and I agree it's not nice to step in poo, but I draw the line at having to watch out for more dangerous litter such as broken glass etc. One can always wash dog poop off ones shoes, but if I step on glass which the cuts my foot it may result trip to A&E, and possibly weeks of pain. Dog doo washes off in minutes.

AC

Agree that litter in general is horrible... The people who aren't capable of taking their rubbish home or finding a bin should be forced to all live in one area fenced off from the rest of us. They can wallow in their own filth seeing as they like it so much. I reckon Swansea would be a suitable location for such a community.

But Gazzo, with regard to your concerns about stepping on broken glass, I'm not sure if you've seen any of these new-fangled things they have now which are designed to protect your feet from things on the ground when you're walking somewhere. I can't for the life of me remember what they're called though...