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Letter: No sense in overseas job adverts
Monday 20th February 2012, 8:00AM GMT.
As our jobless toll soars, UK bosses recruit in Romania. Does this make sense?
Thousands of jobs are still being advertised overseas despite a 17-year high of 2.68 million unemployed in the UK. More than 2,400 vacancies including work as chefs, taxi drivers, engineers nurses are being advertised by an online recruitment agency in Bucharest.
These include waiters on £12,646 pa, housekeepers on £6.26 an hour, receptionists on £14,500 a year and maintenance workers on £7.28 an hour.
All this despite a Government pledge to curb the amount of people coming here from Bulgaria and Romania.
I simply just don’t buy the argument that some, if not most, of the positions can’t be filled by local unemployed persons. Young people in our shores must be given a chance and priority to fill the positions.
What will overseas workers bring? Many are pleasant and hard working, but they will settle and bring their families, putting an even greater burden on housing, benefits, schools, NHS etc.
If there are British workers ready, willing and skilled enough to do these jobs, then it’s only correct that they should be offered them first.
Brendan Ellis
Leominster
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Can you name your source, ie: A website where 1000′s these of jobs are on offer, was it per chance in the Daily Mail or perhaps a UKIP leaflet.
Just Curious
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Typo – it’s the Daily Fail:)
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Well Said
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It is not for the government to decide who an employer employs.
We as part of the EU have to permit EU workers to apply for UK jobs as many thousands of UK workers do in the EU.
The problem is with the employer, he has not got a legal duty to employ EU workers,but he chooses to employ for many reasons .
Yes they are punctual, polite, have the ability to serve the general public something many British now struggle to do but the main reason is they are cheap and that is where the problem is “How can they be so cheap”.
Many Eu countries would employ their own countrymen first which is why many Brits abroad run their own business.
I recently heard about a company who had knock back for a contract The British contractor had quoted £160 for two staff inclusive of materiel’s for one 8 hour day , the workers from the EU quoted TWO STAFF FOR £50 INCLUSIVE OF MATERIEL’S????? how can any British business compete with that ?.
I have heard in the building trade fully skilled carpenters from the EU are offering to work for £50 a day and most other building workers from the EU the same or less.
How are they able to do this and live in the uk?
Answer in part they house share,they claim tax credits and working tax credits even though the family still reside in Europe , they are supplementing the wage with extra cash in hand work and not paying tax on it, some are probably not claiming tax credits but working mainly for cash jobs and not even registered as self employed which is a legal requirement .
We need to investigate how they are supporting the lifestyle in the UK they have on the income they have.
Investigate the above, boycott employers whose majority of work force is made up of EU workers.
The argument i do not wish to employ young Brit chavs is a cop out you tell them how to dress at work, you give them regular staff appraisals and you get them up to scratch.
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Hear, hear. A very well considered set of observations, Andrew.
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Actually Andrew, employers do have a legal duty not to discriminate against EU workers, if they do they will be breaking the law, then presumably could be arrested and sent to another EU country to face prosecution using the EU arrest warrant.
The only question is why a Mr Grayling the employment minister is now urging British employers to break the law.
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So how do German,French,Italian,and all the other W.Eu employers refuse to employ them unchallenged ????
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They don’t now but those countries put a moratorium on entry from workers from the new EU states for 3/5 years we allowed them in from day one.
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Ok but are employers then discriminating against uk workers? .
As has been said other EU countries would give their own work force work before a migrant worker,you do not have to openly discriminate just interview the correct amount of people and employ the British applicants.
Lets be honest though some like pound land etc are cheap for a reason they use cheap labor why people shop in these and many places is beyond me .
The answer is to “boycott” all businesses that have an over reliance on migrant EU workers.
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Thats an outrageous bit of sscaremongering there ken.
European arrest warrants are a tool to combat criminal law… Not employment law.
To be fair though, I cant wait for the mail to run your story as “fact”
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I don’t know Andy I would have thought that discrimination would be a criminal offence, and the EU says “EU anti-discrimination legislation will naturally start from employment discrimination”.
Things like the EU arrest warrant do have a way of being used in a way not originally intended and it is accepted that the EU arrest warrant is being used “disproportionately” to the seriousness of offences for instance according to the Guardian – Piglet rustling, theft of a desert, theft of a bicycle, a carpenter arrested and sent for trial because after the client refused to pay him he removed two wardrobe doors.It would only take somone from Poland to make a complaint of discrimination and there you go.
In any case my point was what on earth is a British government minister doing by urging British employers to break the law.
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” is there are British workers ready, willing and skilled enough to do these jobs, then its only correct that they should be offeref them first ”
I can’t speak for all of them but i have two nephews in Shrewsbury who haven’t worked in years because they claim that theres no point applying for jobs because they get given to foreigners.
I call them lazy, useless and a drain on the nations resources. I’d rather have two hard working Eastern Europeans than two lazy, whineing Anglo Saxon BNP voters.
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Although I agree on one level, there are several reasons why hotels owners would wish to employ workers from EU eastern states, not least actually getting a reply to job adverts from prospective employees. I have internet friends in both Romania and Bulgaria they want to improve their lives and are prepared to travel and work hard in order to do so. From a life time working in the hotel industry I can say, I do not think the same can be said for British workers.
If the government actually promised to restrict workers from Bulgaria and Romania you should know that they do not have the power to do so.
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“If there are British workers ready, willing and skilled enough to do these jobs, then it’s only correct that they should be offered them first.”
Correct. But you’ll probably find that they WERE offered first to British people. And there were no takers, otherwise the jobs would not be available. There’s still nothing stopping British workers from applying – indeed, the jobs are online so they only need to get their computers fired up and apply.
The jobs are paying at least minimum wage and are obviously located in UK, so it’s not a case of greedy employers looking to cash in and pay poverty wages to foreigners. If they are prepared to pay equal ratres to British or foreign workers, there’s no particular financial advantage in bring foreign workers over to the UK.
One explanation may be that the social welfare systems in both mentioned countries are not as generous as that in the UK. Basically, after a short period of time, if you don’t work in Romania or Bulgariia, you don’t have money. No regular or long-term dole payments, no housing benefit, no child benefit, no maternity or paternity leave, no local tax benefit – it still has to be paid.
So the need to get off the sofa and look for work to survive is a much more day to day option for those people and as a consequence, they are more likely to jump at the opportunity to work (anywhere) than British unemployed.
Another reason may be the lack of skills and ability. Many longer-term unemployed in UK are in that situation due to a lack of basic skills and experience. And an attempt to get them into a routine and offer that experience with workfare is already hitting the buffers as they start to kick-off about having to do a bit of work experience in return for the generous benefits paid to them, oblivious to the fact that a few weeks experience may rekindle their motivation.
If British unemployed really wanted to do those jobs, and had the necessary skills and motivation, then the jobs would already have been filled. And, in reality, some of them probably already have been and the ones being advertised overseas are the remaining ones that had no takers.
And if foreign workers do come here with their familes, then as a working family paying tax and NI, they will put far less strain on NHS and other services than an unemployed British family who contribute nothing but still use these services.
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Not one known to stick up for the unemployed especially the so called long term, but do you honestly believe the 6million(possibly the correct figure) unemployed British people have not got a desire to work???.
As i said we need to look how these EU workers are managing to live in the UK and support themselves on what is, if you look very hard is below minimum wage, the UK is one of the most expensive countries to live in none of it adds up.
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I would say to these unemployed people in the UK, There is a job for you in a hotel, cafe etc. it does not need much skill, It pays say £150 per week, You are getting £180 from the government, so we will give you the extra £30 so you won’t lose out, but if you don’t take the job and stay for at least 1 year, you will only be given £30 a week. Problem solved!!
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As I understand it, jobseekers allowance is far less than £180 per week.
It’s also the case that you have to have worked here for some time before you become eligible for the full range of benefits – so the idea that all foreign workers are sending vast sums home isn’t necessarily true.
Like the first person to respond, I’m a bit sceptical about the idea of these jobs being advertised widely abroad – it has the ring of urban myth about it.
I don’t doubt that many of those coming here to work are willing to accept very low standards of living – and as well as legal minimum wage employers, there is always a ready supply of employers who will offer even less – they are the real villains of the piece here.
It could be argued that those coming here to work are actually costing us less than indigenous workers in very low-paid jobs – because they don’t initially attract the full range of top-up benefits.
Perhaps the answer is to raise the minimum wage significantly, especially for large multinational employers?
If the minimum wage were at a level that supported independent living – without the need for top-up benefits to allow this, we might get more indigenous people applying for lower-paid jobs, and the need (if indeed it exists) to advertise elsewhere would be removed.
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The problem is that the Government handouts in the U.K make it unfeasable for anyone to work. You say to give people an extra 30 pounds to work, the problem is they can stay at home and get 180 pounds, whereas if they work you would offer them an extra 30 pounds. therefore they are working for 30 pounds a week! Where is the incentive for anyone to work?
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I said that if they don’t take the job offered, they will only be paid £30 a week benefit, And not their usual £180. With just £30 a week to live on they will soon be working.
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Given that you’re clearly an expert on payments to the unemployed, can you please provide a breakdown of the £180 figure you quote – or at least a reliable source for such a figure?
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Peter. In 7* The words I used were ” SAY £180 per week”, as an example. So to make it simple, I will change it to £68 per week which is the single rate, give or take a few pence. So taking my example above, if a part time job was offered at SAY £50 per week, if the person did not take it .they would be given £18 benifits. eg. (£68-£50= £18.Hope this clears up any understanding
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Sounds to me as if you are saying the British welfare system is too generous?
It might help people from the new EU states to raise their standards of living but, unfortunately as I have said before we cannot maintain our welfare system and remain in the EU because EU laws force us to allow in workers who will undercut local wages and also treat them equally, this will force down the standard of living for our own people and put strain on our welfare system. So we can see membership of the EU far from being a boon to Britain is actually working against the interests of the ordinary person who will be forced to accept lower wages, a lower level of services, and a lower standard of living! Not quite what we were promised.
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A joke about incredibly hard working Polish builders who sorted out my kitchen…They are not taking our jobs – they are DOING our jobs.
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