Letter: Are Shrewsbury planners aware of town’s problems?

Monday 11th July 2011, 6:00AM BST.

The plans for the Shrewsbury Riverside Shopping development
The plans for the Shrewsbury Riverside Shopping development

Re: the proposition to further develop Shrewsbury town centre with department stores and more restaurants for the shoppers and customers of high-class restaurants. Has no-one told the so-called planners and developers of the problems facing them?

1. Traffic and parking problems. We’ve got very high parking fees and very little room already in the “Loop”.

2. People are now shopping online – having their shopping delivered, and not only groceries.

3. There are 10-15 per cent of vacant shops and offices in the town. Good restaurants are not used in great numbers.

4. Out of town shopping and cafes are developing at a fast rate, where major restaurants can almost sell you anything you want.

5. People in the town have, and will have, little money to spend on luxury stores and restaurants. There are massive redundancies and cuts in salaries planned locally, the customer will have to be more careful with their money.

What we do need are new small high-tech industries in the town and area, creating jobs for Shrewsbury people.

Tourism is one of the ways ahead and people will not come to see new department stores in a medieval town.

All we seem to do is cut, cut and more cuts and come up with these mad ideas.

The only thing you will be building if you don’t stop this change are soup kitchens.

John R Brown

Shrewsbury


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    David

    Couldn’t agree more. Retail seems to be the only thing in the minds of those in charge of Shrewsbury (be they planners, councillors, whatever). This is despite the fact that the internet is taking away retail from physical shops, the fact that over the coming years we’re all going to be that extra bit poorer, and the fact that Shrewsbury already has surplus retail space!

    The site should be mixed use, with offices, apartments and possibly some health/education use. It’s not rocket science. And would be more profitable for the landowners – surely they realise they’re not going to be able to fill all their fancy new retail space? (And if they are planning to, then it will be even more empty shops elsewhere in the town centre.)

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    • Green

      Close all the shops. Demolsih them. Build houses and officies and gyms and paths and….. demolish the Welsh Bridge, demolish the English bridge and ……
      Oh better still anyone under the age of thirty who want some where exciting to go, anything of culture, any thing of value, burn them all.

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      • David

        What has your comment got anything to do with mine?

        And… culture? Excitement? It’s a shopping mall!! There’s more to life than shopping.

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    eva land

    What a pompous letter.
    Does John R Brown truly believe that people who pay huge amounts of money on surveys, architectural designs, consultations etc etc would bother if they did not consider that they were going to profit from it? This is nothing to do with taxpayers money, that is just what our elected members spend for us (and themselves maybe!).

    If everyone shops online why are the suprmarkets packed with shoppers?

    Major restaurants can sell you anything you want?
    Only if you want a burger John.

    [Tourism is one of the ways ahead and people will not come to see new department stores in a medieval town.]

    All of the UK existed in the mediaeval period, it is and was just one part of our long history.
    Like many other towns (in Europe too) we have an interesting legacy of buildings and some original street planning but that hasn’t stopped us building roads for cars and buses or tracks for trams or trains which didn’t exist then.
    Towns are a succession of evolutionary change which adapts to the desires and needs of it’s citizens.
    The road put through by Telford destroyed a large part of the original Abbey but many people benefitted from the change. The trains ran right up to the Abbey destroying the ambience and almost the building itself with a bad accident. Many people loathed the belching monsters cutting up their countryside with noise and filth but the benefits of long distance faster travel outweighed those dissenters who opposed any change.

    Of course modern and mediaeval can succeed together. Businesses have moved out of the town because older buildings are not designed for modern technology and are often impractical, dark and do not meet the H&S requirements we expect today.

    To attract people to the town we need popular stores,an attractive riverside not dominated by cars, buildings that offer masses of light, fantastic views, great facilities alongside the attractive and genuine protected historical legacy that Shrewsbury is quite fortunate to retain.

    You refer to small high tech industry which is exactly what Telford attracts.

    There will be a large expansion of Shrewsbury with a lot of new housing in the next few decades so it is important that we try to make the town realise it’s assets instead of sitting on a dusty shelf saying I am already so great you must not touch me!

    It is sad that decisions made in the past over having a university and then over the disney like shopping malls followed by the wrongly placed theatre were poorly made. It begs the question that the system of politically affiliated councillors who dominate where our money gets spent is not flawed. These very important decisions should be made by more expert, professional and business experienced individuals, particlarly in small towns where parochialism does no favours these days.

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    • Henry

      Oh my. You completely miss the point. You go off into the usual “progress is progress” rant, even though the letter was hardly “anti-progress”.

      The point is that the town already has empty shops and with the internet and the state of the economy more generally, retail (or rather High Street retail) isn’t going to have a great future. So why build yet more of the stuff in town?

      Shrewsbury needs proper industries providing well paid jobs, not more shops paying low wages. Now that would be progress.

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      • Iron Flag

        Very well said Henry! The blinkered any progress is good progress brigade are short sighted at best. We have the infrastructure we just need to keep the money and bright sparks in the town to provide the business…not ugly concrete boxes that ruin the townscape and end up standing empty or become another dominos/nandos/cheap and nasty food place.

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        • Green

          You already have enough ugly concrete boxes that ruin most of the town centre. Go further than your front door to see other towns that have excellent ‘mall’ designs that are sympathetic and even contributing towards a better town centre experience.

          Here’s a direct question Mr Flag, What do you want from your town center?

          And Henry, you’ll have empty shops where there are no customers. You’ll have no customers if you present tired, dated, unergonic shopping centers with limited shopping options. Build smart, new, exciting and people will travel and people will spend = income!
          Shrewsbury needs proper industries you say & I agree 100% however where does that fact enter a debate about the retail center of your town or is it that you’d like to see the town centre demolished and replaced with a business park??

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    • Molly

      Surveyors, architects, consultants and their like get paid for their services, no matter what the end product is, be it good or bad for the community.

      I also wonder if these “experts” are local? I suspect 9 times out of 10 they aren’t.

      I recently visited Shrewsbury after a number of years and was shocked at the sheer number of empty shops, particularly in Riverside and the Pride Hill Centre. Surely it would be better for these shops to be re-opened before any more are built?

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    john of shrewsbury

    I read this letter and think is it possible for someone to write this and know nothing about retail and how to improve our town and stop customers shopping in other towns like Telford , Birmingham etc and instead invest there money which will improve the town centre , I have a long back ground in retail and can see that the developement like this will improve shrewsbury ten fold by bringing much needed new retailers to our town

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    ICord

    ‘What we do need are new small high-tech industries in the town and area, creating jobs for Shrewsbury people.’

    Maybe if we had a semi-decent broadband infrastructure, high-tech companies would base themselves in Shrewsbury.

    Check out Shrewsbury/Shropshire on this map

    http://maps.ofcom.org.uk/broadband/

    Telford is like a broadband oasis in the middle.

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    sam

    I feel sorry for the Council’s planning department. They are the default scapegoats for depressive Salopians.

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    mark rickards

    keep wasting money on a town thats dying on its knees. keep building another ugly modern building to ruin a medieval town. soon be called new shrewsbury built in the 21st century lol.

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    zz94

    Fantastic, more empty shop space no-one can afford within the river loop coupled with insufficient, inaccessible, overpriced parking.
    It’s amazing how the town planners maintain the ability to perform major heart surgery on Shrewsbury with a small strip of Sellotape and a pair of nail clippers.
    Before you get the F&B swatches out how about you look up the word infrastructure. Either that or just rename the town Dignitas upon Severn.

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    eva land

    Compared to other towns Shrewsbury is not doing that badly and to imagine that any town could present it’s entirety as a museum piece is laughable, mark.

    London is steeped in mediaeval history but is also a city of the 21st century.
    To survive Shrewsbury cannot sit on it’s laurels it has to compete and surprise surprise it isn’t the only town in the UK to have attractive old buildings but it only has a handful of post millennium buildings of any quality.

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    Rupert Barington-Black

    First, it is private companies spending shareholder money on these schemes. It is not being funded by local authority.

    Secondly, planning is not concerned with financial viability, that is an issue for the developer.

    Thirdly, construction jobs will bring an immediate benefit to the town, but that is subject to towns people being willing to undertake the work.

    Contributors are very good at saying what they don’t want, and what the town should have. Perhaps those who talk of high tech industry could explain what they mean, and how they propose to run it in Shropshire. For examples of high tech, take a trip to Reading or the M4 corridor. Shrewsbury missed out years ago.

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    Matthew

    New shopping centres are being built all over the place so people can’t be buying everything online. Shrewsbury has a lot going for it because it has so many independent shops that you don’t get in Telford or Birmingham. The only thing we lack is some of the big name department stores. The “why build a new shopping centre when there are empty shops now” is a silly argument because Debenhams can’t move into the old Briggs shoe shop! The point of a centre like this is that you attract the big department stores.

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    Tom

    Overheard comment in Shrewsbury yesterday – “Not much here now! – a couple more shops seem to be closed every time I visit”.

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