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Shrewsbury incinerator protesters boosted by decision
Monday 30th May 2011, 12:33PM BST.
An artist's impression of the proposed waste incinerator at Battlefield
Campaigners fighting plans to build a £60 million incinerator in Shrewsbury today said they had been boosted by news that Veolia had lost an appeal for another burner in the UK.
Officials from Shrewsbury Friends of the Earth said they were “delighted” that the firm’s planning appeal for a proposed incinerator in Nottinghamshire had been thrown out on appeal.
Dave Green, from the campaign group, said the decision had given them great hope ahead of Veolia’s appeal to reject planning permission for its energy from waste facility earmarked for Battlefield.
The company’s plans were unanimously thrown out by Shropshire Council’s strategic planning committee last year but Veolia has appealed and the case will be heard this September at the Shirehall.
A public inquiry into whether Veolia should be allowed to build its plant at an old colliery site in Rainworth, Nottinghamshire, was held in October.
A report published on Friday by planning inspector Rupert Grantham recommended planning permission be turned down for the incinerator, which would have burned rubbish to generate energy.
The report raised concerns about the impact on local bird life and said not enough effort had been made to look at alternative sites.
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very interesting if you notts study the decision its because there is already over capacity in the region so there is no need. They also accepted it would undermine recycling, reducing the need to recycle so much.
on these grounds the Shrewsbury incinerator should also be turned down too. Veolia propose an incinerator which can burn 100,000 tonnes of rubbish each year yet in shropshire we only produce about 70,000 tonnes a year and a big chunk of this is non combustable anyway, so there is tens of thousands of tonnes which will have to be hauled into shrewsbury from Powys, Telford, Oswestry, Ludlow and Hereford. This is completely unsustainable and contrary to both national and local planning policy
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Oh but the current situation is fine is it? Hauling it down the A5 to the landfills in Telford suits you just fine!
It’s about time Shropshire dealt with its own rubbish and perhaps someone elses for a change.
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err last i checked telford IS in Shropshire m8!
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I think he meant the councils M8
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if you want proof
look here
http://www.letsrecycle.com/news/latest-news/councils/veolia-efw-to-take-waste-from-outside-sheffield
thats what happens when you get your sums wrong you have to ship waste in from miles around
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frankly i think tis appualing that in a recession when services are being cut and money is tight shropshire council are proposing to borrow over £100 million to invest in new kit just for a load of rubbish, how many schools would that build?!?!
publish the business case – i challenge them
incineration is the most expensive form of waste management possible there is no sensible rationale to pay that price unless you live in like London and have a) the economies of scale to justify 500,000 CHP plants and b) the haulage costs of your nearest landfill site being like 50 miles out in the countryside
in shropshire we have neither
plus the money is being borrowed on PFI at credit card interest rates so its a bad deal for the taxpayer yet again, it just doesnt add up its not economic and there is no need for it
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And now Notts plan to recycle 70% of there waste by 2025 – they could never do that if they had contacts to burn 240,000 tonnes a year.
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i think its a disgusting idea to burn rubbish near our homes, they simply wouldnt have got past first base if they were trying to put it in ludlow or copthorne for that matter because we are in a council estate our children are ok to sacrifice by breathing PM2.5 and such, its no better than the ghettos of poland its simply inhumane
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what a stupid idea
i reckon somewhere in local government corridors now a beurocrat is being made to walk the plank for this crazy bit of purchasing folly, its like lending the credit card to your kids for a week they come back with a ferrari !
what a bunch of incompetent mathematically challenged folk they must be to think that little shropshire needs one of them
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i am not bothered about this really so long as its out of sight and out of mind
what i am pleased to see is that the government is finally getting rid of labours bin taxes so we can all have a weekly rubbish collection again
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8545424/Government-deal-means-councils-will-restore-weekly-bin-days.html
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Isn’t anyone in Shropshire aware that the Health Protection Agency has
promised to examine “birth outcomes” around existing incinerators?
This means that previous advice by the HPA on incinerator health effects is worthless.
The HPA’s promised study has been reported in several papers including
Sunday Express (1 May 2011) and Bexley Mercury (18 May 2011)
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/243962/Are-rubbish-incinerators-killing-our-children-
http://www.mercury-today.co.uk/News.cfm?id=17689&headline=what%20is%20the%20risk?
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we dont want it here
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Then where do you suggest your rubbish goes ??
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telford!
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No, thats where your hospital childrens services went.
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Excellent, send us your kids and we’ll send our rubbish in return.
We might even promise not to eat them!
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It is illegal to built it here because the Councils own local plan says it cannot go here, its not a viable site, it should be put on other alternative sites like the Ironbridge Gorge site which has a history of power generation and the infrastructure in place already – as their site is not allowed to burn coal from 2015, i am sure they would be looking at waste and other carbon sources like that to burn as a greener alternative
Eon would im sure happily take the waste and give a share of the electric to the council in return
It also goes against national planning policy PPS10 which would not support bringing waste from Telford into shrewsbury for burning its not sustainable in terms of lorry journeys and their associated cost and environmental impact to do that so it should not be allowed
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“It also goes against national planning policy PPS10 which would not support bringing waste from Telford into shrewsbury for burning its not sustainable in terms of lorry journeys and their associated cost and environmental impact”
….but it’s OK if the lorries full of waste are travelling from Shrewsbury into Telford?????
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Priceless NIMBY comment by another selfish clown, Its just as far as Telford to Shrewsbury as it is from Shrewsbury to Telford.
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at present waste from Oswestry goes to Telford for landfill ? why ?? there is a perfectly good landfill site in Ellesmere, we should be supporting local businesses and using that, even Wrexham is nearer
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Nah, you should have your own incinerator and be responsible for your own filth.
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some one should be sacked for proposing this
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i bet all these people moaning recycle everything then do they ?
i doubt it… where do you think all the rubbish comes from – out of thin air ???
you make it, now you deal with it, live with it in your town you filthy animals like pigs in a sty, make your muck now lie in it
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I cant believe people like Telford Mark are allowed to be left unsupervised with a PC. Call Matron please somebody!
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So then ( oh great oracle of Knowledge ) why don’t you enlighten us with the answer.
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His point is badly made but some what valid, people create waste, you cant blame anyone else but yourself if you have lots of rubbish – its not like it jumps into your trolley at the supermarket is it? All that rubbish is stuff YOU have chose to buy
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giles turner, I agree.
But would you not agree that people have got to speak out on this issue to ensure that supermarkets make their packaging recyclable as soon as possible?
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im not sure there is much similarity between the industrial heartland of nottingham with millions of tonnes of rubbish produced mainly by massive industrial processes and rural shropshire with a few hundred tonnes of rubbish mainly produced in tiny amounts by individual houses all scattered all over the place – its like comparing apples and pears – i doubt they could learn much from each other frankly. Personally I think Nottingham as an ugly modern city would be perfect for an incinerator, Shrewsbury on the other hand as a tourist attracting town is clearly not sensible choice of location
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Of course, Harlescotts always full of American tourists wondering round with their cameras taking pictures of its architectural masterpieces such as Lidl and STADCO..
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Oh yeah, i forgot the slaughterhouse, or would you prefer Abbatoir as it sounds posher.
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Georgey P, I have not yet met anyone who wishes an incinerator on other people -except on internet forums.
The Rainworth (Notts) decision shows that the Nottinghamshire public are just as opposed to an incinerator as Shrewsbury people are.
As with people here, they probably want the council to adopt zero-waste policies.
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its true that the air pollution and risk to human health complies with current rules the problem is the rules and the measuring equipment is not sensitive enough to measure the fine dust (PM2.5 and PM0.1) which is so fine you breath it deep into your lungs. Our current air quality laws require limits on PM10 but this is relatively large specks of soot which you can see, PM0.1 is invisible and deadly and guess what they cant measure it, and they dont need to
also dioxin another toxic pollutant from the incinerator you only have to do a once a year random spot check, how rediculous is that! clearly emissions of dixions will fluctuate so if you get lucky (or calculate your best timing) you will never fail a dioxin test
Even the NOx levels are not medically based levels they are based on cost:benefit so the level is set by economists and politians based on a calculated risk of how many people it is acceptable to kill off! Sickening but all true, yes NOx levels in the Uk are deadly but most healthy people will be ok so its fine, the odd OAP or asthmatic may die but who cares about them right, they are frail and likely to die early at some point any how!
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wait there…
their suing themselves…
with our money…
muppets
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Who’d be a planner eh?
First the councillors do a deal with Veolia which means a massive penalty if we are to back out of supporting this.
Now a councillor tells the planners to reconsider their support!
The situation in Nottingham may well be different to Shrewsbury but Veolia will now be more alerted to what they need to put in place for their appeal here.
Despite Huw Peach asserting that I support this proposal I have never claimed a view either way. I have just made impartial comments and tried to be pragmatic about the possibility that Shropshire Council foolishly or otherwise, sees this as a money maker for it’s citizens.
The incinerator at London Road Crematorium has been polluting college students for decades, with certain heavy metals too.
I haven’t heard of any surveys/studies on the health impact of residents in that area.
I do get annoyed with the attitude of preciousness regarding these difficult planning decisions with responses like it is only acceptable if it is not here but places like Wolverhampton, Birmingham, Telford and Ironbridge can have any number of incinerators.
The planet saving responses are equally laughable when just as much angst is wrought over any Wind Farm applications.
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could care less were it goes so long as they just get their thing together and actually pick it up (unlike christmas!)
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Unfortunately it’s Nottingham not Shrewsbury that’s turned down the application.
Look what happened when Tesco’s appealed.
Self interest will unfortunately prevail.
Have the council ever turned down a planning application,especially from a very large corporation?
The council are tied in to this application.I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re given the go ahead to build the incinerator.
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Georgey P[. Personally I think Nottingham as an ugly modern city would be perfect for an incinerator,]
Nottingham is much larger and more populated than Shrewsbury but it has some fantastic architecture, parks and just as interesting a history. It has two universities so is undertaking forward looking research into sutainable homes etc and is not an old peoples home like Shrewsbury. Your comment is exactly the sort of nimby response that is despicable.
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People need to be educated to waste less. Its just like electricity before we spend billions on new projects we should limit demand through insulation and education
With waste, most people could halve the amount they throw out just with simple stuff like home composting, recycling and buying stuff with less packaging.
Surely the powers that be should be spending a few thousand pounds on education, education, education before jumping to spend a few million on civil engineering projects and disposal costs?
If the NHS didnt invest in flu jabs it would spend millions treated old and dying ill people each year, its like vacinating young babies isnt it really, anyone with any common sense would be investing now in trying to get people to waste less in the first place
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All true.
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I believe that Labour made incineration more likely with its bin tax – it now taxes your bin for every tonne you throw away – a little known fact for every council taxpayer in shropshire about £30 of your tax is actually a bin tax imposed by Labour
Now the Coalition is reversing these taxes and scrapping the Landfill Allowance Scheme and all the targets for landfill there is no longer any need for incinerators to be build we should save the money and continue to use the tried, tested, safe and efficient technology of landfill, its cheaper and greener
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Its not welcome here, this is a pretty little town and it should not be industrialised with dirty great chimneys
there are cleaner greener solutions to our energy crisis, more efficient ones which use combined heat and power like anaerobic digestion should be used instead
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its a terrible peice of planning, put it out in the countryside away from people and it would have sailed through but its too close to people and property
they could have put it at the old sugar beat site or ironbridge or numerous other suitable locations but they chose the wrong site and didnt think it through so it must be refused
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I disagree, kim.
As society becomes better educated and we all become more and more aware of zero-waste policies in forward-looking councils elsewhere and the massive waste of scarce resources and energy that incineration represents, then I think that siting an incinerator anywhere near here would have raised hackles.
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Forward-looking councils like San Francisco’s.
San Francisco is aiming for zero-waste by 2020 and already recovers 77% of its waste.
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i think the nottingham decision is important because for once the judge has hit the nail on the head and identified that capacity in the region is a major issue and that if you get too many incinerators being built in one area you are just going to destroy recycling rates because you have to guarenttee a minimum tonnage to these things so they will be burning all the paper and making it pointless to introduce any new recycling schemes
so its totally analygous to the shrewsbury situation really
everything will have to go into the burner because there is not enough waste in the whole of shropshrie to justify its capacity
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they are very bad for the environment
(worse carbon emissions than landfill)
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Lets just keep putting it in a big hole in the ground then.
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actually yes, thats exactly what the research suggests is the better option in Co2 terms atleast for dry waste because it doesnt give off any landfill gas it doesnt rot so of course its better to recycle this waste first but if you must dispose of it it is far far better to landfill it that burn it
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I am against incineration because its burning potentially valuable raw resources like metal cans and paper which are in the rubbish, there are ways to remove this with poweful magnets and mechanical sorting which would allow the rubbish to be reduced massively and gets all the metal and plastic out. This is much better for the environment
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Yes its called MBT – mechanical and biological treatment, its what they do in high recycling countries like Germany and what they are doing in Manchester and Cheshire its a cheaper, cleaner and greener technology that burner but the so called “experts” at Shropshire Council have dismissed it without proper rationale and they wont publish the costs of their PFI loan to borrow the incinerator at public expense its a proper proper SCANDAL and people should be sacked in droves for it
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[If the NHS didnt invest in flu jabs it would spend millions treated old and dying ill people each year, its like vacinating young babies isnt it really,]
Giles,if you are making an economic analogy you could equally say that by the use of flu jabs we are keeping older and more expensive vulnerable people alive for many more years. Vaccinating babies is a rather more definate future investment!
[its a terrible peice of planning, put it out in the countryside away from people and it would have sailed through but its too close to people and property]
Kim, if that is the case then why have we got massive opposition to wind farms and pylons?
[I believe that Labour made incineration more likely with its bin tax – it now taxes your bin for every tonne you throw away – a little known fact for every council taxpayer in shropshire ]
Well Jamie isn’t it the Tories who are re-introducing weekly collections due to public pressure? If we are recycling more we do not need weekly collections do we?
The council are tied in to this application.I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re given the go ahead to build the incinerator.
Exactly John! We actually pay these people/local representatives to make decisions for us on our behalf often against the advice of the employees of the council who are qualified professionals!
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its a disgrace to dump it on harlescott because its a poor area, it would never get considered in posher parts of Shrewsbury, its like poor people dont count, it will devalue their homes, endanger their food supply, harm their children, effect their view, their laundry, their fresh air and everything, its just not wanted or needed
as for those saying its ok for telford thats disgusting too, just because an area is poor we can still have human rights to fresh air
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im really pleased to see my local Councillor Mal Price is against it, he’s right to represent his people first and not just toe the party line, and keep the (not in their backyard) Barrows happy, he’s being a proper politician showing he is a Battlefield and Shrewsbury councillor first and foremost and a county councillor second. The people of Battlefield salute you sir, well done. I just wish (as head of planning) he had killed it stone dead earlier when they were signing the contracts for it
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i would like to see a local referendum on this issue under the new localism bill, let the people vote and decide if Shrewsbury people dont want it it should be thrown out we live in a democracy dont we ?
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The lesson to learn from the Nottingham decision is that Veolia will not reveal their costs in public because they know that incineration is a dirty, old fashioned and expensive technology – its more expensive than the status quo and it has no place in Shropshire
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And putting it in a large hole and covering it up is the answer is it ??
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No.
Zero-waste policies are the answer.
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yes another public sector procurement debacle! PFI costing more than traditional financing again. It is clear to a GCSE Maths student that the business case here doesnt stack up and that recycling and composting is a much more cost effective way of managing waste
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I am saddened but unsuprised to see people against developing our town and modernising our infrastructure, but not suprised to see its just the usual collection of NIMBYS LUDDITES and bearded leftists – they would protest against the development of a phone box based on its carbon footprint, if we listen to these sadly ignorant old fashioned unscientific bleeding heart liberal yet inherantly voices of conservatism we will never progress as a nation and as an economy nor as a society.
Just think if Friends of the Earth had us all living off war rations again without carbon we would have never put a man on the moon, never build concorde, never split the atom, there would be no F1, no cancer drugs, no supermarkets, no cosmetics, China would still be a starving third world country, Australia still and undiscovered outback, there would be no internet, no TV, no motorways.
This Green Eden is actually a hell on earth…
Dont let them hold us back
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Do you think people in Harlescott would feel like cutting-edge progressives just by siting an incinerator next to them, James?
Surely they would be more likely to feel positive about their children’s future if their council began to push for zero-waste policies so as to avoid this eventuality.
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I blame the people who originally signed the contract. Wait there lets look at the facts
2007 Councillor Joyce Barrow as Chair of the Waste Committee signs on the dotted line stating ” We are delighted to formally sign this contract. We now look forward to working with Veolia in the years ahead”.
http://www.letsrecycle.com/news/latest-news/waste-management/veolia-and-shropshire-formally-agree-waste-pfi-deal
2011 Councillor Joyce Barrow votes against the proposal in a planning committee, stating
its the health risks I have a problem with.”
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2010/09/02/councillors-reject-shrewsbury-incinerator-plans/
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Seems Cllr Barrow has more faces than the market hall clock, all of them telling a different time dependant on what you want to see
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like a weather vane
she’ll face anyway you want so long as its away from the prevailing wind every time
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why not convert ironbridge power station instead ?
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Let me me the lone voice of reason. I know this will attract anti comments but I think incineration is a good idea, because atleast you get some electric out of it, its better than nothing surely to god, and it therefore means we burn less coal and gas again surely thats a good thing????? I am I missing something blindlingly obvious or are the environmentalists not just shooting themselves in the foot by being against this ?
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im worried about th aesthetic implications of a modern shiny metal building on the medieval battlefield and its wonderful rural landscape and medieval church. English Heritage and CPRE have flagged up these concerns too, on these grounds the site is not suitable
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Worrying’s worse for your health than supper scrubed fumes emitted by the incinerater will be.
Calm down dear, it’s only a chimney!
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[im worried about th aesthetic implications of a modern shiny metal building on the medieval battlefield and its wonderful rural landscape and medieval church]
Well,in that case we will have to get rid of the Recycling Centre and all the other new buildings and infrastructure around there attica. Including those massive areas of concrete called roads which have lots of those very unmediaeval metal shiny things on them that I believe are called cars.
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it will make a nice change for all the rubbish from telford to go to shrewsbury instead of all theres coming here as is currently!
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im not against incineration per se but this is too close to houses and the historic site, it should be refused
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back in the day the on tip was always out of town to get rid of the filth for hygeine reasons you dragged it all out of town
to pile it all into the middle of a residential area and then burn it so that the dust and stuff gets scattered all over town seens a retrograde step to me
in fact the whole reason waste collection was originally bought in was to stop urban burning and the associated health and safety problems!!!
this is going back to the medieval era
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incineration causes cancer
on those grounds alone it should be banned
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It will no doubt have to accept waste from all over the county and beyond thus increasing HGV traffic on Shropshires roads
no thanks
we need small scale local solutions to waste not monsterous super sized centralised solutions
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why dont they just withdraw the application in the face of overwhelming pulbic opposition, lack of need and planning failure, no one wants it, its not needed and it should be withdrawn
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Don’t let your local councils build these things – they are inefficient, expensive and downright dangerous. The US hasn’t built one for 20 years!
We all need to join forces and fight this collectively at central government level … the blinkered local councillors do not have the power or itelligence to make these sort of long term (25 years) decisions.
Vote at 38degrees for the UK communities fighting against waste campaign.
http://38degrees.uservoice.com/forums/78585-campaign-suggestions/suggestions/1592755-support-for-uk-communities-fighting-against-waste-?ref=title
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