Letter: Young doctors? No, I want my experienced GP

Tuesday 17th May 2011, 6:02AM BST.

Letter: Young doctors? No, I want my experienced GP

Letter: At my GP’s surgery the long established senior doctors have a two weeks or longer waiting list for appointments.

I tried on May 11 to make an appointment with one of three long-serving established doctors at my surgery, and was told May 26 was the earliest I could get an appointment.

It appears that if you have an urgent need to see a doctor you must see one of the young new doctors who probably does not know you.

So this means patients with urgent medical needs needing immediate appointments are seen by less experienced doctors.

Those with chronic illnesses who can book an appointment two weeks in advance see doctors with more experience.

Surely this is the wrong way round and poses a risk to patients with conditions requiring immediate accurate diagnosis and appropriate treatment.

The doctors who can give more accurate immediate diagnosis and correct treatment are more likely to be those with the greatest experience, not new young doctors, some of whom may be foreign with a poor grasp of English.

In the long run the cost of not receiving appropriate immediate medical intervention is likely to be more to patients and to the NHS in terms of pain and suffering and prolongation of diseases which may then become chronic.

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  1. 1
    Rupert Barrington-Black

    The reason for the wait, is most people don’t need to see a doctor.

    Most illness is short term and self limiting, clears up in 7 days.

    Extended waiting time, is as good a way to manage lists, as a requirement to pay a nominal appointment charge.

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  2. 2
    Nistagmus

    If you’re really ill, I’d assume you’d be pleased to see anyone with medical training irrespective of their age (or indeed nationality).

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  3. 3
    spencer

    Doctors aren’t getting younger, You’re getting older. Don’t assume that a Doctor is no good just because he/she is younger than you..

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  4. 4
    eva land

    You are not necessarily right as the younger GPs are more up to date and medical conditions affect all of us whatever race or colour.
    My brother is a recently retired GP but he will still act in an advisory role and still continue to work in areas he has a special interest in.

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  5. 5
    John

    I’d rather see a younger Dr as they’re more up to date with modern medicine, older Dr’s just like anyone older can get set in their ways.

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    the infiltrator

    Clearly the answer is that all the older doctors should have no prebooked appointments and only see the emergencies….oh no then you can’t book an appointment in advance.
    I know , let’s get the Government to regulate it and make some more rules…oh no we have tried that it didn’t work.
    I know , let’s privatise the NHS , that’ll be sure to solve it…

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    Student Nurse

    These “young” doctors need to get their experience from some where. At some point your “experienced” doctors won’t be around forever due to retirement etc. then what are you left with??

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    • philip jenkins

      i agree that young doctors do have to gain experience from contact from somewhere but not from old army trained doctors whose only expertise was treating cases of vd and bullet wounds.although my late wifes highly decorated doctor would have struggled to decide the difference.

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    Flowers

    I am a Student Nurse and think that these “young” doctors need to get their experience from some where. After all, the “experienced” doctors are entitled to a retirement at some point and it will be the “young” doctors that take on their roles and responsibilites. Maybe it is in our interest to seek advice from “young” doctors as many of them are up to date with evidence based research and more modern effective treatments.

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    ANDREW FINCH

    Seems like a silly view, point one if you are ill and it is genuine you will see the GP available at the earliest convenience.
    we have a difference between a young GP and an incompetent GP of which I am sure we have a few uk wide.
    We at our GP’S have an appointment service and a walk in service the appointment service is always a few weeks wait so can these people really be ill???. The walk in service is also abused I waited 1 hr and a lady before me was sat next to me another patient asked how she was, her reply was “oh nothing wrong with me now I just wanted a chat with the Gp to say thanks and I am a lot better now ” my issue with this is holding up the que and being a royal pain in the rear.
    I can only imagine many waiting weeks to see a gp can only belong to this group who treat the gp surgery as some type of tea and biscuit social meeting place.Granted it does however all boil down to the management or lack of it of the practice.

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  10. 10
    MsD

    But a doctor does not need to know you in order to treat you, urgent or not. They have your medical history up on the screen in front of them when you walk into their surgery.

    Being an older/more experienced doctor does not necessarily equate to a better doctor, and in fact, the ‘new young doctor’ may well have more up-to-date knowledge of the condition the patient is attending for than any other doctor in the practice.

    They’ve all had to qualify in order to practise medicine – and if the newly qualified doctors don’t have the opportunity to treat and advise those requiring immediate attention, how on earth do they acquire the experience in the first place? In twenty years time, these new doctors will be the experienced old hands but they’re no good to us if they’ve only ever dealt with chronic conditions!

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    Pedro Pony

    I recently had the pleasure of spending a day up at A&E after injuring my arm. The Dr i saw gave the impression he was only just starting out, i would like to hope so anyway, firstly he explained (in fairly understandable english) that he wasn’t quite sure whether i had fractured my arm or not as he wasn’t too sure what he could see on the x-ray, secondly as he wrote up my notes he spent quite alot of time sketching a diagram of my hand and forearm to show where the pain was…all well and good you might think, except that he drew my hand with 6 digits and i can assure you i only have the standard 5! It didn’t really fill me with confidence!!!!

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  12. 12
    Kelly

    And a young doctor knows all very well to refer the case to his/her senior if he’s unsure of the appropriate course of action to take.

    I have seen a number of “foreign” doctors, but none of those had a “poor grasp of english”.

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    Flowers

    I am a Student Nurse and think that these “young” doctors need to get their experience from some where. After all, the “experienced” doctors are entitled to a retirement at some point and it will be the “young” doctors that take on their roles and responsibilites. Maybe it is in our interest to seek advice from “young” doctors as many of them are up to date with evidence based research and more modern effective treatments.

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    mark reynolds

    I’m a little worried and wanted to know if anyone could help me out here. I applied my husbands removal of conditions but under certain circumstances we are having to move. I moving end of June and I’m worried if the address change will update and I will receive paperwork for the condition removal on my new address.

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    • edwin turner

      i moved–then went to the surgery and asked to be registered there which i was having
      given my old drs address ect
      but then i am in a large urban area

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  15. 15
    Frustrated Patient

    We can’t pre-book appointments at my surgery, but there is still a long wait to see the Doctor you are registered with. Recently I was told it would be SIX WEEKS if I wanted to see the Dr of my choice and although I’m not suffering with a self limiting illness, I would still prefer to see the same Dr for continuity purposes and to save having to repeat the same story over and over again, but consider that to be too long a wait.
    It’s also a nightmare trying to work around their surgery times and my working day. Just give up and suffer I guess ?

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    • P.T

      Think about going to another practice,ask friends etc to suggest a decent GP.I have a 91 year old grandmother when she was really ill her doctor would not make a home visit,he said to call an ambulance,paramedics arrived said she needed to been seen by a doctor to get antibiotics,rang doctor back still refused to visit,instead sent the pharmacy driver with tablets,needless to say I got her on the books of another practice they will soon attend if she is not well.

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  16. 16
    Hilary Pollard

    I like to see my designated GP but if he isn’t available I don’t mind seeing someone else.

    After nearly half a century of visiting doctors I have always agreed to students/newly qualified doctors seeing me … after all how will they become experienced if they are turned away by patients just because they are young or newly qualified?

    I know I am getting older and a lot of doctors, like policemen, are getting younger ;)but that doesn’t mean they are not as able as our older, more established GPs.

    Sorry Mr/Mrs/Ms Anonymous, you are way out of order!

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  17. 17
    jane's mum

    How are ‘young doctors’ supposed to learn or get to know you if you won’t see them! What a silly thing to say, if you are ill you will be happy to see any doctor.

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  18. 18
    Jamie

    With not even a figleaf of public consultation, the Shropshire primary care trust (soon to abolished) has selected Ludlow as a training centre for general practitioners.

    Of course, no one is against the idea that doctors need training. But it’s a question of where that training should take place, and the type of patientbase on whom doctors should be trained.

    It just isn’t sensible to concentrate a large group of trainee doctors on a tiny little town like Ludlow, located as it is in the back of beyond and more than 50 miles from the affiliate medical school in Stafford.

    For the rural nature of this environment, South Shropshire residents suffer surprisingly bad health. The health demographics of the area reveal an aged population, with poverty, smoking, drugs and poor nutrition taking their toll through life-shortening disease. Gealth authority statistics bear out those facts.

    As such, complex health issues are common for patients in this area. Managing and treating complex health conditions at GP level demands clinical competence that can only come through experience. The oversight of this industrial-scale training and the burden this would place on a small rural practice is unacceptable.

    On health grounds alone, it was always a foolish idea to select Ludlow as a centre for GP training.

    Furthermore, the primary care trust, again without any true consultation with the general public, announced it is to rehouse the town’s two GP practices into a single surgery some three miles out of town.

    The remote siting of this new clinic on the wastelands of the empty Eco Park will cause
    considerable inconvenience for both patients and staff alike, many of whom will be forced to find their own ways of reaching the new site, since public transport is very limited.

    And more: after a secret closed-door deal, the primary care trust has announced its funding of a conversion programme for a redundant former school in the town. The old school building on Lower Galdeford, we are told, will be turned into blocks of dormitories to house incoming cohorts of trainee doctors who are sent to the town.

    This planning decision is bizarre on several grounds.

    The new dormitories will not be within walking distance of the new surgery that is planned for the out of town site. The student doctors will either have to drive, or be driven to their isolated place of training.

    Furthermore, in this day and age and in a town that brags of its hospitality, the housing of doctors, albeit student doctors, in 12-bed dormitories in a redundant Victorian school, is a clear throwback to Dickensian living.

    Today’s student doctors will expect much better. On discovering their sub-standard living conditions in Ludlow will be deeply disappointed and inclined to seek training elsewhere.

    Lastly, the decision to grant public funds to the Church of England to breath life into its ailing property estate is unacceptable. If the building is to be renovated and converted by the taxpayer for any public use, then it should be taken officially into taxpayer ownership.

    In these difficult economic times, there is little rationale for forcing the taxpayer to bankroll these extravagant and thoroughly ill-conceived ventures.

    Before the PCT gets the axe, it should go away, put on its thinking cap, and come up with some sensible ideas for modern healthcare in Ludlow.

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    Brian

    I think we are getting near the point here it’s not the age of the Dr it’s his nationality.
    I can well remember taking my son to Princess Royal some years back and i couldn’t undestand a word this DR said. I had to wait until I took him to our family Dr to get an interpretation of what this Dr was talking about.
    If the NHS has to employ Dr’s of foreign origin, They should be able to understand and speak English.

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    R Suppards

    My confidence in any kind of doctor was seriously dented when I repeatedly presented with classic gall bladder failure symptoms. A series of doctors, young and old, experienced and not very so, failed to diagnose this condition. Eventually, turning yellow and armed with a page printed from the NHS-Direct website – and totally self diagnosed – I was able to convince the medical profession that I was in very poor condition. My gall bladder blew up the next day and if I hadn’t more or less forced myself into hospital, the consequences would have been serious.

    It’s a poor show when a patient has to tell the doctors what’s wrong with him, armed only with an NHS Direct diagnosis sheet.

    Yes, I complained, but the complaint was politely brushed aside – they clearly wasn’t interested in it.

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  21. 21
    Former

    A few years ago, I worked for ShropDoc in the evenings/nights. So I managed to spend quite a bit of time with many of Shropshires GP’s. And what a mixed bunch they are. A large percentage of them were money-orientated bigots who I’d place zero trust in (and mostly the older, more experienced ones fell into this category). The younger ones were more caring, more knowledgeable (if less experienced) and tended to err on the side of caution. They were also much better at dealing with those patients with psychological problems.

    Give me a younger doctor any day.

    As for nationality, given the choice between a doctor who didn’t speak English, and no doctor at all…. well, it’s a no-brainer really

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    • ANDREW FINCH

      Funny you should say that I knew a middle aged female GP and as you say a money orientated bigot who thought they were worth a fortune but everyone else should work for peanuts, especially for them and they were not bothered if the person was a benefit cheat either as long as they got a little bit of cheap labor to do the garden or the cleaning.

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    Richard

    Wasn’t your experienced doctor ever young once? How did he become experienced if patients never wanted to see him?

    As others have said, I’m happy with a young GP – they’re more likely to be in touch with ever-changing developments in health.

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    The Doctor

    Anonymous.

    How would these YOUNG FOREIGN DOCTORS get into a Medical school without a grasp of english. Why would an intelligent person (this is granted as medicine is a very academc posistion) come and work in a country with a language that they could not speak?

    Everyone has to learn.

    Young and Old doctors have the same training. Young doctors training is more recent and up to date and therefore fresh in their mind. They are perfectly capable of dealing with your minor condition.

    I dont understand why you seem to think that you are more important than others and that those who have been through 7 years of medical school cannot do their job..

    You are incorrect and misinformed.

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    Rob, Telford

    @ “The Doctor” (If you are indeed a doctor) can I suggest that you appear to have a somewhat tenuous grasp of English, judging by your spelling and erratic use of capitals.

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    Woody

    The problem here, as experienced in my own GP Surgery, is that the “older” patients like to see a particular doctor and kick up a fuss when they can’t see him/her. Half the time they just want a chat and a prescription to save them paying for medicine they could quite easily get at the chemist. It never ceases to amaze me that when operating an “open” surgery the usual suspects i.e. the OAP’s are nowhere to be seen….. funny that!

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    Woody

    Oh yes, nearly forgot, based upon the contents of this letter. I would suggest this person lives in Bridgnorth!

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    P.T

    I suppose we all get used to seeing our regular GP even more so if we have been on their books since a kid.Sooner or later they move on or retire,I had a great GP but he decided the grass was greener in Australia,I have since moved to another practice and found another decent GP but she is semi-retired.

    It’s like all things in life some GP’s are very good some are rubbish at their job,it’s trial & error you have to look around till you find a GP you trust.

    If you are worried I would always say get a second opinion it could save your life,don’t put up with a rubbish doctor if you can change.

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    El

    Shurrup letter writer. You’re lucky we still have a free health service and don’t have to go to the doctors with your cheque book held out in front on you!

    Talk about whining!

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    • Sally

      A FREE service? Really? Don’t you mean we’re lucky to have a service that we all pay towards, instead of getting a bill after the event? Free!!! I’m not complaining but it’s hardly free is it!! Funny ;)

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  29. 29
    Andrea Student Nurse

    The older experienced doctors where young and inexperienced once!

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  30. 31
    Mike

    I am quite happy with a younger Doctor half the old ones are in the departure lounge.

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    Misslas

    It doesn’t matter if the doctor is young or old, if they trained last year or 30 years ago, ALL doctors should be basing their practice on the ‘evidence-base’.

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    philip jenkins

    in regard to doctors,young or old.personally i have no preference so long as they are not ex-military horse doctors rcognised by all the letters after their names(jack of all trade types)and also spotted by when you phone your surgery you dr good unavailable,dr useless always available.how ill are you?.if you dont see him you could die,then again as he is so useless.you could still die,decisions,decisions.personally i do not bother with doctors.i stay home and let nature take its course.

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  33. 34
    philip jenkins

    when you see doctors names with 6 or 7 blocks of letters after their names its difficult to work out whether they have been earned legally or bought from an internet site.

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  34. 35
    john smith

    I’ve spent almost 40 years seeing one doctor after another and not one of them, including the “experienced” old doctors ever took me seriously. It wasn’t until finally in desperation I sought an appointment with a new younger lady doctor that I was actually listened to, and subequently diagnosed with a congenital disorder which was the cause of all my problems. The reason? Simple… the newer doctor was not already dealing with all patients with the same ‘I am God/I know more about your body than you do/I doubt every word you say’ ideals and actually took the time to send me to be assessed which in turn lead to me being correctly diagnosed. Seems what I have is not “All in my head” as so many doctors stated. I’m happy to stick with my lovely new doc, she actually LISTENS to her patients!

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