Letter: Charge media studies students more
Wednesday 15th December 2010, 8:54AM GMT.
Letter: Nurtured by a nanny state, university students continue to demand something for nothing. But are we missing a trick here?
We know the qualifications needed for the future success of the UK in the world economy? So is it not worth incentivising students seeking to achieve those qualifications by applying a lower tariff?
I’m not clear what “media studies” is, but I suspect it is a course where those whose success at school was primarily due to a “dumbed down” curriculum, can continue not learning at taxpayers’ expense. (And not clog up the unemployment statistics). So a high tariff for media studies!
We can’t support free higher education for all; we have too many eligible students. We need a solution and the one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t fit today’s over population problems.
If genuine students qualify for university they must go. But we must also make it clear we want a say in what we are paying for.
If what a student intends to study corresponds to the needs of the country then he or she should be encouraged with lower student costs.
As such courses are likely to be more demanding, only the best will qualify for a place. It’s only a guess but I doubt if the taxpayer will object to paying for quality!
Peter J H Sharman
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Correct, whats the point of getting 30k into debt for a Travel and Tourism degree when at best it will get you a 16k a year job in Thomas Cook.
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Hear Hear!
Medicine, engineering, sciences, IT for free.
Pay full price for modern dance and such non subjects.
Its the only way…
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is it here here? but the rest of your post spot on.
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The whole of his post is spot on. It’s ‘Hear, hear’ – i.e. an invocation to listen, rather than ‘Here, here’ a call to a disobedient dog…
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I think we have been here before.
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We have been, and the correct spelling is verifiably ‘hear, hear’ – look in any dictionary.
So why do you continue to get it wrong?
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Spot on, Peter! These joke subjects -’media studies’, ‘peace studies’ sociology, etc – are the result of the marxist-liberal influence that’s poisoned the British education for the last 40 years.
It’s time to ditch all these useless ‘trendy’ teachers and pointless subjects.
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Helen,
You appear to be obsessed with the coplete fantasy that our schools are filled with ‘Reds under the desk’! Perhaps you’d like some McCarthyite witch hunt amongst staff. Or perhaps a burning of books you regard as unsuitable?
I can only assume that your personal views may well be aligned to the extreme right – perhaps along the lines of Nick Griffin and his cronies, and that your odd out-of-step opinions result from that fundamental misunderstanding of where the centre of politics really lies.
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stupid comments from no doubt a limited view of society.
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Spot on, couldn’t agree more. There are some degrees for entering professions that are contributory to the country and its skills pool but other soft courses do not. You want to prance around like a wally fine but you pay for it and we taxpayers will carry on funding the future scientists who may one day discover a cancer cure, much more useful I’d say!
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The people whom I went to University with in the early 90′s are now Media movers and shakers. At least 2 of them are daytime presenters on BBC Radio and are household names. One other is a scriptwriter for the Royle Family and for several succesful feature films. All of them , including myself, have made a living that is a good one. By the way, I gradusted in Media Studies. So, who’s laughing now?
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Daytime TV presenters very important, who else is going to entertain the rest of the students inbetween their two lectures per day..
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Whatever you may think about the value they add, they certainly pay a load of tax.
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I’m laughing – you can’t spell graduated!
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Teachers mocked and derided school pupils who wanted to work as engineers, mechanics, plumbers, etc. When a pupil told the careers teacher that he wanted to be a mechanic, the idiot guffawed and said, mockingly, “a mechanic, lad? What’s the matter? Don’t you want to better yourself?”
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To be honest, I think that a lot of degrees are unnecessary anyway. Most jobs asking for degrees, NVQs, etc, etc, do so because HR departments have become lazy and simply specify certain qualifications to pre-sift potential candidates, but many, many of these jobs could be done just as well by bright clever people who didn’t take the degree for whatever reason.
Certification and where you learned often means more than qualifications. Degree requirements used especially in the public and education sector to squeeze out applicants perfectly qualified often in favour of making the hiring process appear impartial or to make the weeding out process of the HR department easier.
Obviously, knowledge is required for certain jobs – I certainly wouldn’t want to be operated on by a neighbour’s son who had come straight in from school, but let’s be honest, medical school teaches basics of the job, not the specifics. A surgeon operating on you will have acquired the skills under the watchful eye of colleagues, not lecturers.
I am always amazed when I read of the variety of career opportunities available in countries where education is expensive and paid for that can be joined for training, but would require a degree here. We should focus more on creating children who can read, write and do sums and then give them the chance to enter jobs at a younger age, working their way up without the obligation of a degree.
I’ve worked with a large variety of people during my career and I can assure everyone that working with people with degrees could often be an eye opener. It is true that many subjects have become debased and, more worryingly, the holders of the degrees also hold a sense of entitlement which is quite undeserved.
More entrance exams, less degree courses may well be the way forward.
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a HAND FULL of people John, but most are just wasting time. But then if the few are going to make good money in the future they shouldn’t have a problem paying back the student debt.
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‘We know the qualifications needed for the future success of the UK in the world economy?’
Statement or question ? Do we ? What are they ?
‘I’m not clear what “media studies” is, but I suspect it is a course where those whose success at school was primarily due to a “dumbed down” curriculum, can continue not learning at taxpayers’ expense. (And not clog up the unemployment statistics). So a high tariff for media studies!’
So without knowing what Media Studies is, or it appears knowing whether it is needed for the future success of the UK you wish to penalise those who want to learn it.
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You’re absolutely right – the more engineering and meaningful subjects that get taught the better, after all the engineering sector is in such a golden age at the moment they’re bound to mop up all the students they can get at the moment aren’t they?
Without looking too deeply into specific subjects a few years ago the government set targets for 50% of young people to come out of their education with a degree (or equivalent), thus all jobs suddenly put a specification for a graduate to fill any roles it may have. Quite why now, after people start essentially doing what they were recommended to do, suddenly everyone is taken by surprise by a influx of students is beyond me.
For the country to come out of this recession in a strong state it requires an educated workforce ready to progress in whichever discipline it maybe. By now actively discouraging people from going to university there be a brain drain in many roles, requiring better qualified people from other parts of the world to come in and fill the gaps, leaving our own young people undereducated, undervalued and missing vast pools of potential for success and progression.
Not to mention the experience of university allowing individuals to mature, get out into the world and develop as a person away from the home but still in a environment which can pick them up if they fail.
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I have not employed one degree student in the past 5 years.
Most have no common sense and fail to even produce ideas to every day problem solving.
To even suggest someone with letters after their name are amongst the highly educated in this modern day society is a complete joke.
The badly written letters, complete lack of research done by individuals writing to my company wanting jobs commenting they are completing their last year in a degree makes me wonder if they are still in junior school.
The problem lies with parents who insist on little Billy having letters after nis name and assume that that is the best way forward for their offspring. However are often then left to wonder why he is working in a call centre at the age of 30.
I don’t know why the writer picks out Media Studies, but I did a media related course where in 1989 4,500 students applied for 12 places on a course. in 2010 only 3 still work in the industry. The problem lies from Maths to English to basically everything. There IS a need to clamp down though.
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[Not to mention the experience of university allowing individuals to mature, get out into the world and develop as a person away from the home but still in a environment which can pick them up if they fail.]
I agree with you King Mad Hat except that the whole student concept has been developed into a brand. No longer is a student ‘looked after’ at uni in ‘loco parentis’ as it used to be termed. Now they are fodder with masses of encouragement to spend money they haven’t got and with a whole package of hungry punters climbing on the lucrative student bandwagon.
Privatised halls that charge rent for the whole year not as it used to be, the academic year.
Scheming crooked landlords cashing in with poor accomodation and extortinate rents.
Bars, clubs, clothes shops all geared at marketing a vulnerable group of young people with credit to spend.
It is well known that this age group are easy to groom into certain behaviour and fitting in is a huge pressure.
When we were young it was fashionable to wear second hand clothes, booze was available but not quite as pushed in your face as today and in general students were seen as sacrificing a proper wage for a few years to garner rewards later when better qualified. Living simply, occasional parties and booze ups. working part time inbetween terms and supporting all sorts of causes but not one as desperate as for English young people now who are being heavily disadvantaged and their education sold off to the highest bidders.
Do all these moaners actually feel happy that they are, as taxpayers, supporting Scottish, Welsh and Irish students?
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OK, so you think Warner Brothers fix base in Hertfordshire is not ‘needed for the future success of the UK in the world economy’
A new £100m complex adding 300 additional jobs to the current workforce of 1,500 people.
Why did they chose the UK to be a base for producing MULTI Million pound films.
Because we have the talent people they want, that have done media studies and associated studies and skills.
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Actually I would imagine Media Studies students would learn quite a lot about the world around them and a subject which is changing before our very eyes.
Is it not a positive thing for students to be learning about and using new media, finding out about the dynamism of the creative industries and the technologies which underpin them, analysing the framing of news in the media and the way this influences people, and looking at increased concentration of media ownership and the effect this has on the range of critical thought?
Although I didn’t study this subject myself, I could imagine it would be fascinating to look at the influence of the Rupert Murdoch or Richard Desmond empires, the DMGT and the BBC on cultural, social and political life in the UK.
I think it would also be fascinating to see if Silvio Berlusconi’s almost monopolisitic control of the Italian media had anything to do with his surviving that vote of confidence last week.
Is it not important for our democracy in the era of Wikileaks that people are studying these things?
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Peter J H Sharman writes:
“I’m not clear what “media studies” is, but I suspect it is a course where those whose success at school was primarily due to a “dumbed down” curriculum, can continue not learning at taxpayers’ expense. (And not clog up the unemployment statistics). So a high tariff for media studies!”
So, Peter, you’re writing a letter calling for a higher tariff for those who wish to study a course you blithely admit you know nothing about, based on nothing more than your ‘suspicions’.
You’ve clearly not even done even a cursory amount of research into what this course involves and how it can equip someone for the workplace or help them understand and interpret the world around them.
Perhaps the current furore involving Vince Cable and Rupert Murdoch might suggest to you that the media has a huge influence on society, and is therefore a relevant subject for study.
Why do you think countries like China censor and control their media, why did Tony Blair court the approval of Rupert Murdoch?
Have you read any prospectuses from Universities, or spoken to teachers, students, lecturers etc?
God forbid anyone in power should listen to
your proudly uninformed approach to policy-making.
Two words come to mind when reading this letter: lazy and prejudiced.
Spot on indeed!
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