Shropshire refuse workers balloted over strike action

Friday 17th September 2010, 10:50AM BST.

Shropshire refuse workers balloted over strike action

Rubbish and recycling collections across Shropshire could be hit as unions prepare to ballot workers on strike action in a row over jobs and pay.

The GMB said it would ballot its members at Veolia for industrial action unless threatened cuts in jobs and pay were withdrawn.

The firm manages waste and recycling services in the Shropshire Council area, though household bin collections are run by a different company in Telford.

The union claims Veolia has put its public service contract workers on 90-day notice of its intention to unilaterally make them redundant, dismiss them and re-engage them on lesser terms and conditions.

GMB officer Rehana Azam said: “What Veolia is doing is completely unacceptable and will not be accepted by the many GMB members working on these contracts.

“Veolia management’s decision to make their employees bear the brunt of the squeeze on Government funding is just not on.

“GMB members are concerned about the company’s unilateral announcement of redundancies and changes in terms of conditions and employment. The threat is that Veolia employees will be dismissed and re-engaged on worse terms and conditions.

“We are seeking meetings with Veolia and if we are not successful I will be seeking authority for a strike ballot to take place to oppose these cuts.”

A Veolia spokesman said there would be consultation with trade unions at three pre-arranged meetings, and the company was consolidating its workforce under one company name.

He added: “We have no intention of making municipal employees redundant, dismissing them or re-engaging them on lesser terms and conditions.”


  1. 1
    Bothered?

    So what, go on strike, you only do half a job anyway so we won’t miss you

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    • Mike

      What a stupid comment! pray tell me what you do for a living?

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      • Andy

        This stinks of the unions stirring…

        these folks arent public sector, they work for private industry, so if they strike they know what the consequences will be… fired and replaced with cheaper migrant workers.

        Dont do it, if you strike you will lose. The only winners will be Veolia and the union bigwigs that get to go on telly and feel like big men, (while they still get paid and their followers lose their homes).

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      • Bothered?

        I’m a financial controller Mike henceforth I have a firm understanding on what it costs a company to pay it’s staff and the additional financial strain put on the employer by the government. Whatever you pay in tax and NI, don’t forget the employer pays the same or more for each employee as well out of their profits, that’s as well as paying a third of their profits over in corporation tax.

        Anyone who has a job that pays enough to live on should be grateful right now and not trying to blackmail more money out of their employer (who if they suceed will have to pay more to the government in NI and Income Tax and as a result the many may get a pay rise at the cost of total loss of job for the few.

        For strikes to work you must be able to garner public sympathy. In these current times the public aren’t interested in how much the bin man gets paid because we’re too busy trying to keep a roof over our own heads and going on strike when you at least have a job will only cause animosity as the public view you as undeserving.

        There’s plenty of people in the dole queue willing to take your place if you don’t want to work.

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    English Exile

    Just as a point of interest, ALL public service workers,in Spain, police, everybody, have had a 5% reduction in their wages this year.
    As for this issue, don’t go strike because you will play into their hands. You won’t win. Sorry.

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    • jamie miller

      well said mate, yeah everyone should get a pay cut, especially MPs, bankers and public servants, they are all as bad as each other, footballers too, waste of money, cut the lot of them

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    mark a

    the only pick them up every other week already what now, once a month? this is a disgrace, these cushy jobs with golden pensions – they should count their lucky stars they dont work in the private sector, they should all be sacked

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    • Chris p

      ‘Cushy jobs with golden pensions.’

      Those of us still in work must be eternally grateful to our masters and betters that they have deigned to give us jobs. Thank’ee sir.

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    • Vitruvian

      Don’t want to break up your rant, but Veolia is a private, contracted company. I’m not entirely sure their employees are eligible for ‘perks’ such as the Local Government Pension Scheme (LGPS), which is one of the benefits of contracting out the job in the first place.

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    Andrew Eades

    typical labour socialists stooges, they are so lazy all these unionised workers, they need to wake up and smell the coffee, no more pensions, no more early finishes, ha ha, welcome to the real world commies

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    danny bowen

    my bin man does a great job, rain or shine, i wouldnt want to do their job so fair play i say they deserve what ever they can get

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    sara jones

    some people cant read, this article suggests that these workers are striking against their private sector employer veolia, they are a private company, so these bin men are not public sector workers, please can people read before they comment

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    telfordian dan

    i dont mind so long as telford still collect. ill just go to the tip in granville anyway

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    ed jones

    the cheek of it

    i pay their wages you know!!

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    • spencer

      No you don’t..

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      • edward smith

        surely all council tax payers pay their wages as with all council workers and pensions its paid for partly by council tax and partly by business rates, the council is not a wealth creating organisation it is purely parasitic feeding off the real economy like a leach

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        • Rob, Telford

          “the council is not a wealth creating organisation it is purely parasitic feeding off the real economy like a leach”

          While I agree that some public sector expenditure is of questionable value (Darwin sculpture????) I find your comment simplistic, no, just plain bloody wrong.

          So education, road maintenance, refuse collection, environmental health, trading standards, libraries and so on are parasitic, while property speculation, investment banking and hedge funds are the real economy?

          Perhaps you could tell us what REAL wealth was ever created by a banker (rather than them taking their cut for doing damn all)?

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    Martin

    I expect that all these people crticising the refuse collectors for ballotting to go on strike, would be happy for their own employer tp put them on 90 days notice to reduce their salary and terms and conditions. What next salary paid in tokens that can only be spent at company shop.

    An for those who are unable to read these are workers on in the PRIVATE sector.

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    JOHN JONES

    Andy, Your comments are spot on,Ive seen it all before, then we had only a few migrant workers. I’m afraid that it will be back to the Union controlled 70s.So Brothers think again, while your on strike and getting no wages your fat cats at the union are still getting their £100,000.00 plus per year, ask them to forgo their wages whilst you are on strike and see what they say.Take it from a wise 70 year old, a strike has never achieved anything worthwhile.

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    • Martin

      You are wrong there are many examples where strikes have acheived a result. For example the women workers at Ford in Dagenham in 1968, when the woment there discovered that the men where being paid less for doing the same job. The men were classed as skilled workers whilst the women were classed as unskilled. This strike by 187 women brough Ford to a halt, but also forced the government to introduce the Equal Pay Act, which was defining moment in history of employment in the UK. So important that a film has been made about it. I could identify many other strikes which have brought about change.

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    a

    i think its the most important thing the council does, you would really know about it if your bin wasnt collected for a while it would be a public health risk

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    edward smith

    these guys are lucky to have jobs at all, in the private sector we’ve been laying people off for the last couple of years and pay freezes are common, these people must live in fantasy land if they think they can get a pay rise this year

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    • KB

      Another one who can’t read – these men work for a private company, Veolia. They’re not employed by the public sector directly. Try their job for a few months, let’s see how much you whinge about them then.

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    • Rob, Telford

      “these guys are lucky to have jobs at all”

      Why??? – they do a job that needs doing (and you need them to do it) – would you like them all to come and see you at your home or workplace (no, you don’t sound like someone who actually works) and gratefully tug their forelocks?

      PS – if they do lose their jobs can I count on you to pop round and empty my bin?

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    ANDREW

    good on them, you have to fight for your rights, give em a couple of months of stinking bins and bad pr, rubbish piling up in the streets caused the labour government to collapse in 1979 (power cuts too)

    Go for it lads, i support you, give them 2 months max of smelly bins and they will be on their knees begging you to come back to work

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    Rob, Telford

    I suppose those of you who are so quick to criticise the bin men, for merely trying to protect their existing (far from generous) conditions will also wear your keyboards to a frazzle protesting about the rewards enjoyed by the fat cats?

    It was announced last week that bonuses for directors of FTSE 100 companies are now back to what they were before the credit crunch – that includes the banks who created the whole mess in the first place.

    Which would you miss first – some bloated parasite on a couple of million a year, or the guys who empty your bins?

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    ed d

    please note they work in the PRIVATE sector all council bin collections are privatised/outsoruced/contracted out to a private (for profit) company called Veolia

    READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!!!

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    JOHN JONES

    Martin, Thank you for correcting me. please let me remind you of history, Austin Rover closed after numerous strikes due to Red Robo’s famous saying EVERYBODY OUT,remember him? Our motor cycle industry due to wild cat strikes by the union who refused to allow automated machines in the factory because they claimed that it would loose jobs.This also applied to most of our manufacturing industry at the time. The miners strike that lasted a year and lead to the loss of most of this countries mining industry. Personally I was only ever involved in one strike and that was at Warner Swasey in the early 70′ and lasted 6 weeks, we went back to work for one half penny a hour more. The list is endless, but I agree that a very few were successful.

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    • Peter

      John,

      ‘The miners strike that lasted a year and lead to the loss of most of this countries mining industry.’

      What?! It was Thatcher’s plans to destroy the mining industry as an act of political revenge that led to the loss of the mining industry, not the strike! There wer no subsidies for the British mining industry, but she was also buying subsidised coal from Eastern Bloc countries – what a hypocrite she was!

      Austin Rover ultimately closed because of a long period of lack of investment through the ’60s and ’70s. If British management had shown the foresight of their German counterparts we’d still have a successful car industry today.

      One of the many things that Red Robbo frequently raised with management were the difficulties in component quality and supply, leading to half-finished cars leaving the production lines – but of course, you won’t have seen that reported in the pages of your Daily Mail at the time, so presumably it didn’t happen…

      In the case of the Veolia dispute, I believe this has now been settled – it’s interesting, isn’t it, that the threat of strike action often brings greedy employers to their senses?

      If all they were intending to do was to consolidate a number of employees into one company, there is perfectly adequate legislation (the TUPE regulations) to cater for this – without the need to terminate contracts or change terms and conditions of employment.

      Many large and highly profitable companies are cynically exploiting the current over-hyped recession to allow them to attack their employees. At the same time we see that the pay of directors continues to outpace inflation, and is already back to pre-recession levels.

      Where public money is funding contracted-out services, savings made by such pay cuts aren’t likely to go back into the public purse – instead I think it far more likely the savings will go to shareholders or to line the directors’ pockets. And of course, as we cut pay especially in low-paid jobs, we make it more likely that the affected employees will becom entitled to benefits to ‘top-up’ their income, so the employer’s saving becomes the taxpayer’s burden in many cases.

      There are also some statistics around average pay in the UK. The average salary/wage is £26,000 per annum. That will sound very high to many in Shropshire, which is a fairly low pay economy. However, it’s also true that anyone earning over £50,000 is apparently in the top 10% of earners. That just shows the extent to which the mega-wealthy are slewing the figures with their astonshing greed – and these were the people who caused the recession!

      I’m astonished at the subservient, forelock-tugging defeatism shown by so many correspondents. Why don’t some of you grow a spine and challenge your employers about their greed? All the evidence is that union members get higher pay rises and better working conditions than non-members – we should be congratulating and supporting the Veolia workers and other who are prepared to stand up against the race downhill to a sweatshop economy.

      I note that today Vince Cable has made a speech about the morally unacceptable and ‘murky world of corporate behaviour’.

      Whilst I view this as largely for the consumption of the Liberal Democrat faithful to limit the damage done by their Faustian pact with the Tories, rather than as a true statement of likely policy, it is at least comforting to know that this is being noticed as an issue, and that we still have our trade unions to stand up against this sort of abuse.

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    marian

    let them eat cake

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    Tyrone Shoelaces

    There was a time and place for trade unions, “was” being the operative word.

    When ruthless employers subjected employees to unsafe working conditions and paid them a pitance, trade unions served a valuable purpose. In the developed world times have changed and trade unions need to change too.

    There is little that goes on in the workplace that is not covered by law, and failing that, easily exposed to the public. So if an employer screws up generally speaking in this litigious society he will pay so its not worth it to try and use & abouse your staff.

    All unions appear to do now is opperate as a job protection organization irrespective of whether staffing levels are economically viable or not. Better to have full employment along with all the associated costs until the company they work for goes belly up and everyone loses their job.

    But, Veolia, and every other employer, needs to recognise that employees have to be treated with respect, irrespective of their affiliations.

    Team hug please.

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