Letter: You English are crazy
Thursday 15th April 2010, 8:28AM BST.
Letter: On a visit to New York we watched the St Patrick’s Day parade along Fifth Avenue, and how impressive it was.
It started at 11am and finished at 6.30pm, with the Irish bands, New York Police, and the Fire Service, the armed Services – and a dozen of our police – taking part. We were the only ones not displaying their country’s flag.
An American next to me asked me if we had parades like this one. When I said no, he could not understand why.
An Irish Lodge band came past with a long notice carried by six people that said English out of Ireland. This was not far behind our own police. I said to the American that if this was in England the police would arrest them for some terrorist offence.
All the New York police and fire service departments marched by and every person had an American flag on a long pole resting on their shoulder. There must have been 500 of them. I told my American friend this would never happen in England as we would be afraid of upsetting other nationalities.
“You must be crazy”, he said. “If you want to see a proper parade come and join in our independence parade, we celebrate kicking you Brits out.”
“You can’t say that, it’s racist” I said, adding we could not shorten names without being called a racist. “What a crazy country England must be,” he replied.
J R Jones
Shrewsbury
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I saw the same in Boston a few years ago. However the english out of ireland was being spouted by a few americans then . They couldnt point to ireland on a map just a bunch of silly people who dremt of lepris and the like many who supported this group however fel away after 9/11 the rest of the letter however is spot on.
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‘An Irish Lodge band came past with a long notice carried by six people that said English out of Ireland. This was not far behind our own police. I said to the American that if this was in England the police would arrest them for some terrorist offence.’
No, it wouldn’t result in anything of the sort, unless it led to some sort of unrest or public order issue. You just made that bit up.
The view expressed is a legitimate political stance, though of course there are many who would disagree with it. Where have you ever seen someone arrested under anti-terrorist laws simply for expressing such a view publicly? Whilst Adams and McGuinness were denied publicity for many years, their more moderate Republican, and admirable Irish nationalist counterparts such as Gerry Fitt and John Hume were always allowed to express their views.
As far as parading our flag is concerned, there are numerous reasons why we don’t do so in the way that the Welsh, Scots and Irish do.
Firstly, historically, those nations have typically found themselves and their nationality oppressed by the English, and have felt the need to re-assert their national identity as a result.
The Englsh have had no such need – firstly, we’ve not been the oppressed in the way that our neighbours have, secondly, we are historically far more of a mix of peoples – you’d be much harder pushed to define ‘Englishness’ as compared to ‘Irishness’, ‘Welshness’ or ‘Scottishness’. We’re more complacent about it because we have had hundreds of years of constant threat.
Finally, in recent years, our flag has been ‘dumbed down’ by its misuse by assorted football hooligans, right-wing racist bigots and other morons – people are a little wary of waving it in public for fear that they will be associated with such low-quality people.
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Exactly where do you get the idea that there would be arrests for a terrorist offence? That comment is completely without foundation or precedent.
The most depressing thing about this letter is the image that you are spreading to others about our country.
As someone who has actually worked and spent time in the US I know which country I would rather live in!
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I’ve never read such a load of ill-informed tosh in all my life. You have the freedom to say this stuff but everyone else should know you’re just making stuff up. Ridiculous.
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It does, sadly, seem that the Star goes out of its way to publish such arrant tosh. Even the dimmest of sub-editors must have realised the utter baselessness of Mr Jone’s premise and should have consigned the letter to the bin along with other “green-ink ravers”.
Come on Star Editor, you and your paper are better than this.
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Complete and utter nonsense. If you were ever at a St Patrick’s day parade in New York as you suggest then there is only one reason any Americans could form an opinion of the English being crazy and that would be from listening to you.
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Moysten said “Come on Star Editor, you and your paper are better than this.”
Unfortunately past experience has shown that sadly they are not!
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Yep, we can’t use abbreviated terms for people unless they don’t mind it’s called politeness.
Yep, we don’t celebrate kicking people out of our country, we pride ourselves on being welcoming and knowing what is and what isn’t ‘cricket’, it’s called manners.
Yep, we don’t parade around celebrating events of generations ago, it’s called perspective and moving with the times.
Yep, we don’t wave flags around needlessly and saying ‘We Beat You’, it’s called avoiding unnecessary provocation/rudeness and spending our lives permanently up for a pointless scrap.
Call us suckers all you like, but a man’s as big as the problem that gets to him and if the problem that gets to him is not dressing up funny and having a good enough reason to get merry without an feeble/nasty excuse, well, boo and indeed hoo.
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Moysten said “Come on Star Editor, you and your paper are better than this.”
Unfortunately past experience has shown that sadly they are not!
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It’s obviously a slow UFO news week.
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UFO video! I knew I’d forgotten do do something this week.
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I dont really have an opinion about st patricks day but I do think we should celebrate st georges day and be proud to do so.
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Well said Nistagmus
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One of the corespondents made a comment about England reaping the reward for its domination of other countries in the past.
Alas, he overlooks the fact that England was taken over by the Scots four hundred years ago and the King, James 1, could easily have moved Parliament to Holyrood and made Edinburgh the UK’s capital had he so wished. The fact that he preferred to retain the status quo was due to the fact London was conveniently distant from his own Highlanders who were out for his blood at the time but it was a close call.
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On a more important note, i do like the new patterns that appear next to your name on these newly designed comments pages.
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Do they have a Pearl Harbour day in Japan..?
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