Peter the Lisbon treaty is the constitution of the EU as are all of its treaties.

ie: The system of fundamental principles according to which a nation, state, corporation, or the like, is governed and therefore the document embodying these principles.

England is not naturally divided into 8 different regions this was an agreement with the EU based on the concept of regional government. This concept is enhanced by the EU with the funding programmes, Scotland and Wales are also EU regions. The whole devolution programme has been in line with EU agreements it is an attempt to undermine the concept of the nation state.

What percentage of out laws are made by those we elect in our own parliament what percentage has no EU influence. Please supply proof of your argument!

If you want to indulge in an anti USA rant please be specific in what way does the EU protect us from The “scourge of US-led globalisation” when the EU is part and parcel of the scourge of globalisation? The USA if anything is standing against the concept of globalisation it still believes in the nation state.

The EU is not only a major trading block it is a nation state in the making it has already passed beyond the realms of a confederation and is becoming a very centralised federation.

The United States of Europe was the name put forward but has for the time being been shelved however watch this space it will return.

Those who support the destruction of the nation state and want us to move swiftly toward a post democratic era should at least try to be honest about their intentions!
But the whole European Project is based on lies and misrepresentations so I do not suppose that will change anytime soon.

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It’s not jingoistic garb, to not agree with the EU machine, it’s the corruption, cost, and unelected inept parasites that milk it.

I will retire to Euroland and escape the tax burden and increasing dross within the UK, all within the next decade.

Happy days!!

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“edward heath, maggie thatcher and gordon brown must take the blame for our lack of sovereinty”

Why choose only those? How about the rest of them James Callahan John Major Tony Blair. The last at least had the decency to acknowledge that he was committing treason. (and yes he did use that word)

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“The British people who, together with the rest of the English-speaking world, have rescued Europe from evil dictatorships several times in the past, are now surrendering meekly to the European Commission in a craven manner our forefathers would never have considered”. What a selective and arrogant take on history. The British and other English speaking people have had a role to play but certainly cannot claim sole credit for “rescuing Europe”, and certainly not “several times”. If anything the defeat of Hitler’s Germany was primarily down to the Soviets who sacrificed millions of lives. Without that eastern front the western allies would have failed miserably. The British forces were also made up of hundreds of thousands of none English speaking empire “subjects”. Denis Allen has merely proved to me that Ukip is in essence “BNP lite” – an isolationist party with a narrow and largely ignorant or even idiotic world view. I just hope that come May people can see beyond Ukip’s paranoid nonsense.

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‘ 70% of the country would vote no whatever the question!’

And that’s the problem with a referendum, isn’t it? On the face of it it feels like the most direct route to a democratic decision, but in truth, more often than not, it ensures rule by the lowest common denominator.

Much as we castigate politicians, we elect them because they are experts in making law.

Cast your mind back to a few years ago, when the disgusting News of the World was cynically boosting its circulation by rabble-rousing over paedophiles. You may recall that as a result a group of morons vandalised the house of a female paediatrician! There are thousands of people in this country who buy rags like the News of the World, The Sun, and the Daily Mail, and who believe every tainted word that is printed in them.

Do you really want people that stupid directly setting laws for us? Of course in a democracy we should allow them a vote – but their two-dimensional simplistic view of the world needs to be tempered by professional lawmakers.

The truth is that the vast majority of people in this country have no idea of, and little interest in the content of the Lisbon Treaty.
To allow such ignorance to prevail and to jeopardise our future to placate a grand sulk by a group of embittered Little Englanders would be a grave mistake.

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So Ken – would you have our laws made directly by the same people who read the Sun and believe every word in its poisonous pages? You might as well let children make our laws.

The fact that parties such as the BNP and UKIP actively look for their support amongst those with the least sophisticated view of our society and its place in the world speaks volumes. They know that no-one who has really taken the time to consider the complexity of these issues would consider voting for them.

We need expert politicians and lawmakers – rule by referendum prevents that expertise from being applied.

Let me offer an analogy. Let us imagine that you had become ill. Would you prefer your doctor to diagnose what was wrong and to determine the appropriate treatment, or you you be happy to put your treatment directly to the vote of the people despite the fact that most of them had no specialist medical knowledge?

I’m assuming it wouldn’t be the latter, but given your fondness for letting the people speak in an ‘honest public debate’ (no matter how ill-informed they might be!), I can’t quite be sure…

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