Hear, Hear! If they want Human Rights, let them learn Human Responsibilities, too!

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Never thought I’d hear a politician actually say something sensible that the voters agree with!

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so therefore to take it to it’s logical conclusion Burglars are therefore not humans? this is insanity….address the root causes of burglary – poverty, under education, drugs…. trying to solve the problem from the wrong end simply means that the problem changes…treat the root causes and it may take longer to get there but it will be sustainable for far longer with far better results, after all would you prefer to be not burgled, or to be burgled however you know the perpetrator is going to get a hefty punishment – I prefer to not be a target of crime in the first instance myself.

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So what about my human right to relax in my home without wondering if some scumbag is going crowbar the front door open and then take said crowbar to my head? If you do the crime you should pay the price – yes address the root causes but not then dispose of the punishment route because some criminals will never learn even if solve all their problems for them

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Anybody breaks into my house and threatens my children/partner they are going to get it big style wether a politician says its ok or not.
if 5, and 2, want to sit in their bedrooms at 3am trying to rehabillitate some crazed smack head by talking to them about their unsettled childhood then thats up to them.

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eva land is into the usual diatribe again but at least now we get what is really at the heart of his/her psyche. “Class” envy, jealousy and pure downright chip on the shoulder. Now let us look at the what the opposites to “his Etonian mouth” has given us is terms of “retreating as a civilised society”. ie the Labourite “Secondary Modern” types.
(a) Burglars, thieves, violent criminals and the scum of the earth detected by Police, convicted by the courts and given a £1 out of the poor box by comrade Brown and company who has told the courts not to send them to prison.
(b) the “surveillance society” par excellence where almost every second of our public wanderings are under scrutiny from millions of CCTV cameras.
(c) unlimited timescale for the DNA of innocent people to be kept on a Police database.
(d) People kept in custody (prison) without being convicted of a criminal offence, without being told of what they are accused, of what the evidence against them is and when or if they will be released.
(e) originally wanting suspects to be locked up for how many days, was it 30, (which old Etonian Cameron objected to) but had to water it down to again shorter but unaceptable levels.
(f) passing the most restrictive, the most abused by the Police and the most anti civil rights legislation ever known where innocent people taking tourist photos are arrested, where innocent people are ejected from political meetings etc etc etc, all under the provisions of The Prevention Of Terrorism Act which is now applied by Councils spying on their tenants to see if they are living in sin or a host of other non criminal matters.
This Labour Government will go down in history as the most authoritarian and the biggest abuser of civil rights in our history and the above are just a few of the abuses of our civil and human rights which can be laid at their door. There are many, many more.
Now we have the idiocy of equating a burglar in a dwelling house confronting the resident owner on a par with Road Traffic Offences purely caused by an unforeseen accident.
Right, evaland, we know by now you don’t like the Tories, but please, please, please get your facts right before committing yourself to print.
The sooner the EU Human/Civil rights legislation is watered down, the better our society will be.

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Spencer.
I have no intention of talking to anyone about their childhood or anything else if they burgle my house. I expect them to get arrested. I expect forensic evidence in the form of fingerprints and DNA to be gathered. If there is sufficient evidence I expect the CPS to advise on appropriate charging and the police to make recommendations about bail. If the police refuse bail I expect that decision to put before a court. Ultimately I expect a court to form an opinion as to whether or not the person I allege or believe to have broken into my house is guilty. If guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt then that person will be convicted and sentenced. Human rights are merely the fundamentals of our law, not some EU directive to be resisted at all costs. If Mr Cameron is prepared to discard such fundamentals then he brings shame on himself and his party. But he is not. He’s merely banging the populist and tabloid drum without thinking about the broader view…and he wants to be prime minister?

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as a floating voter im now more inclined to cameron because hes on the side of me and my family, the government is always against me, i am pleased to see someone standing up for real people who dont want red tape, they just want justice, even if its mob justice thats good justice for me

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#13 Simon thank you for your common sense and intelligent comment.
Stuart you have let yourself down again.

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Whats so un-intelligent about wanting to protect your family against intruders,

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Simon so when confronted by a burglar in your bedroom at three in the morning. you will say ” carry on my good chap we will have the police and courts sort this one out at a later date” I have never heard such lily livered codswallop in my life. If it wasn’t so pathetic it would be laughable.

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@ VV. Anybody who has ever voted will be fully aware of the smarmy propaganda and spin delivered by politicians in the months leading up to a general election, and i don’t think that any of the people on this thread will care who is Prime minister when confronted by an intruder in their property.
Although if it gives you the pretence of being of a higher level of intelligence than the ” knuckle-draggers” who chose to defend their families then fair enough.

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Stuart,

I had been waiting for someone to mention the EU in the context of this thread, and you turned up right on cue.

Our human rights legislation has nothing to do with the EU. It is based upon rulings from the European Court of Human Rights, which was established in the aftermath of World War 2, to ensure that the sorts of human rights abuses seen during that conflict could never occur again.

It pre-dates the EU, and is overseen by the Council of Europe (again – not part of the EU, despite popular misconception), whose members include many EU nations, and many who are not, including Switzerland, Russia, and the Balkan states.

So nowt to do with the EU…

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Of course this is electioneering, anyone can see that, but he’s a politician so his words and promises count for little. However, he is obviously attempting to tap into a very rich vein – this being that ordinary, decent, hardworking people are sick to the back teeth of the softly softly approach to crime and punishment which must take a large share of the blame for the mess we now find ourselves in.

By all means look at treating the root causes of the problem, but isn’t that just yet another initiative on the back of countless others which have had little or no effect? If it works – great, but it will surely take generations to resolve which leaves us with the existing, ongoing problems for who knows how long.

I would never advocate the return of capital punishment in any way, shape or form and would find it difficult to live in a society which allows this. However, I absolutely will not allow any criminal pondlife entering my property without my permission, to leave without vigorous challenge.

It’s way past the time that their apologists remove their rose tinted glasses, come back to reality and accept that the liberal approach hasn’t worked.

Cameron for all his faults is therefore totally correct in stating “burglars leave their human rights outside the moment they break into someone else’s property”. It’s just a pity that they’re words only.

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David Day
If you assaulted a burglar in defence of your family and property you would hope that the law would recognise why you had done so and that it would deal with you as a person rather than just a violent individual. It is one of the many things human rights are about. The Human Rights Act includes the fundamental British recognition of the right to a fair trial. That applies to all of us and cannot be cherry picked in a civilised society. Lily livered codswallop or true and established British justice. Would you be so dismissive if you too were denied such rights?

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“Why, you cad I hope you realise that you will have forfeited your human rights by this ungracious behaviour”

“Oh thank the Lord, I thought you was going to ‘it me Squire, and there’s me & the missus ‘aving 7 mouths to feed and another on the way”

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