Letter: Snowfalls a thing of the past, are they?
Wednesday 6th January 2010, 8:33AM GMT.

Letter: As the snow fell deep all around him for the second winter in 2009 alone, Allan Tucker of Oswestry still maintained his belief in man-made global warming.
He should view www.iceagenow.com and peruse the severe winter weather right across both Europe and North America where hundreds of new snowfall records have been set.
He would also do well to read the article on the site headlined “Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past”. That was the headline in the “know-all” Independent newspaper on March 20, 2000.
The statement was made by Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia. He also said: “within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event “ in the UK.
The CRU is the establishment who were caught out sending secret Climategate e-mails regarding the manipulation of global temperatures to hide global cooling.
L J Jenkins
Cardigan
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It’s the old confusion between climate and weather. We are having snow because it’s winter. The southern hemisphere has been breaking records for heat.
The global average temperature is rising because of all the CO2 we have pumped into the atmosphere and this is causing melting of glaciers, shifting of climate zones, rising sea levels – and will cause an increasing frequency of extreme weather events.
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Is the average global temperature rising ? .There are scientists who say it has shown a decrease in the last ten years .A graph I saw some months ago the temperature line sort of “faded out” and was obscured behind other lines .I believe it is natural climate change I am still awaiting someone to explain the vikings farming Greenland and grapes grown as far north as Carlisle .Time will tell, not much man made co2 in the middle ages
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Well, the obvious answer to the alleged global warming problem is simple and would sort out the traffic chaos as well – the councils should ensure that the roads have tipper lorries parked on them in such a way as to cover them entirely. When it snows, it falls into the lorries. After the snow has stopped, the lorries start up and drive to a nearby port, from where the snow could be offloaded to be shipped to the Southern hemisphere, where it could be spread about to cool things down a bit.
As the lorries drive off, they take all the snow with them, leaving the roads clear and dry, so no need for snowploughs or gritting and nobody gets stuck in snow drifts.
The councils say that they have limited budgets for treating roads, but doing it this way means that they would be able to take money from the green budget as well because it’s an environmental solution as well as a highways one.
I’m sure that the Ministry of International Development would also be happy to chip in as melting snow would have a benefit if shipped to countries that have a water shortage, thus negating the need for investment in expensive water supply projects.
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Come to think of it, didn’t the cold weather start about 2 minutes after Gordon Brown landed at Copenhagen airport to sort out the faltering “climate change” conference in the latter part of last year sometime?
We’re freezing now, so I really do think that he can finally hold his head high and, without risk of ridicule, assert once again that he’s saved the World.
Got to give it to him – that’s three World saviour moments now – Global economy rescue, Global banking regulation and now Global warming.
Can Sainthood, (or at least a position as head of IMF), be far away?
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The vast majority of scientists suggest that global warming and climate change are attributable to man’s activities and industry – particularly the use of fossil fuels. Oil and coal are the fossilised remains of plankton and flora that absorbed CO2 over millions of years. That same CO2 has been released back into the atmosphere at an alarming rate in approximately 200 years. Those scientists who offer an alternative view can often be shown to have a vested interest in the all powerful oil lobby in the US – which may also explain the hastily released “evidence” intended to sabotage Copenhagen. People need to see beyond occasional natural changes (mini ice ages), seasonal variables (warm winters, hot summers, cooler winters, wetter summers) and look at the broader picture. The issue is world wide global warming not just the weather for a small island in the north Atlantic.
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“The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”
- Kevin Trenberth, Lead Author IPCC (2001, 2007)
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its clearly a sad inditment of the intellect of the british people that they see one off weather events as proving of disproving a theory about GLOBAL climate change
it would be like denying global economic growth in the last 100 years because somewhere in one country in the world at the moment there is a recession
can people really not tell the difference between long term trends and one off events
i am worried for the children of these people if they will be raised by such thinkers
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The theory is based on computer forecasts of what will happen to the climate as more C02 enters the atmosphere, the point is that none of these programmes forecast a cooling event such as we have witnessed during the past three years. Hence given the record breaking cold events during this time it is quite reasonable to question the accuracy of these computer models and the veracity of the whole theory of AGW. As soon as evidence proves a theory wrong or even questionable it should be treated with suspicion.
Added to this basic discrepancy in the computer forecasts we have discovered that the people who run the main outlet for actually proof of the rising temperatures, the people who produce the evidence used by the IPCC. Have been cherry picking and manipulating data, have been refusing to obey requests under the freedom of information act, have been as a group denying access to any scientific study that does not conform to their theory. We find that the Chairman of the IPCC is heavily involved with companies that stand to make a great deal of money from carbon trading, which to say the least opens up the question vested interests, that no one in their right mind would condone in a public body.
There is also the very annoying fact that every time we have any unusual weather event it is claimed to be caused by global warming! Even it would seem record breaking cold events; this would be funny if it were not so serious and not going to cost us all so much money in the coming years.
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Dear Don Hall, as Ken Adams quoted:
“The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”
- Kevin Trenberth, Lead Author IPCC (2001, 2007)
“Statistical tricks” and “dodgy spin”. Obviously, that’s what we should be teaching our young people nowadays to suit the climate change lobby as they grasp for more and more tax money, flights to lovely destinations and luxury hotels once they arrive at their summits.
To be fair though, as I said in 4 above, Gordon Brown and the thousands of climate hangers-on and jet-owning celebs seem to have done us all a favour in Copenhagen. The very moment that the “Saviour of the World” landed in Copenhagen, the weather changed and has not warmed up since.
A miracle indeed by Gordon, much along the lines of St Tony of Bliar, who was also subject to “visions”, a sense of “doing the right thing” and “speaking in tongues”.
Pity the poor simple folk who are stranded at home because the grit and salt are running out because the government model to local authorities, (based on global warming”, discounts severe weather, much like it did at the beginning of 2009 when we saw the same problems.
I notice that Miliband didn’t once use the phrase “global warming” when on TV yesterday when talking about placing another 6500 windmills in the sea, instead choosing to tell us how god it would be for “the economy”.”
he said > “Our policies in support of offshore wind energy have already put us ahead of every other country in the world. The offshore wind industry is at the heart of the UK economy’s shift to low carbon and could be worth £75 billion and support up to 70,000 jobs by 2020… We did it before with oil and gas in the North Sea and we’ll do it again for offshore wind.”
And in every other statement by young Miliband and his department, there’s no mention of saving the planet. Maybe, just maybe, as an election looms large, they’re beginning to understand that the general public are getting fed up of dodgy dossier-style thinking and prefer to judge things by what they see.
Sorry to go on people, but two Arctic winters in a row and the climate change buffoons are STILL telling us that the World is warm.
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Climate change is so complex and the way nature and the earth work it is reasonable to have more than one train of thought .Who is to say who is right and who is wrong ?.I do not think this will be apparent for generations to come .What we do need to remember that it is the opinion of thousands of scientists that 97% of CO2 occurs naturally so man only controls 3%It is also important to keep an open mind and not have a blinkered view either way ,prepare for the worst and hope for the best a sort of each way bet .
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There is an article in the Sunday Mail this week that people from both sides of the argument should read .Some emminent scientists putting forward some facts .I ask you all do not close your minds because climateology is so complex and the forces of nature are so unpredictable many will end up with egg on their faces and it is so unclear who these will be .I doubt however any of us who are alive today will be around to see who is right .
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One thing is for sure: In a sloppily-written comment, Don Hall perpetuates the stance of the “more superior than thou” attitude of the climate change lobby by questioning the intellect of those with whose views he disagrees.
He says:
“its (sic) clearly a sad inditment (sic) of the intellect of the british (sic) people that they see one off weather events as proving of disproving a theory about GLOBAL climate change” ….
can (sic) people really not tell the difference between long term trends and one off events (sic)
i (sic) am worried for the children of these people if they will be raised by such thinkers”
Commenting on our intellectual capability in such a badly-constructed comment is pure irony.
Personally, I’m more concerned about the children of people who feel that lingual presentation is not important for their future,thus depriving them of potential life choices.
I tell you what Don, YOU worry about your inability to spell and use grammar correctly and let US worry about our intellects and children’s futures.
The unchallengeable certitude with which such people treat their favourite subject, and the viciousness with which they denounce anyone who disagrees, reminds me a little of the hardline creationists you find jabbering in the backwoods of the Appalachian Mountains: there is no argument, we simple people of low intellect are not qualified to argue, man-made climate change simply IS, and let there be an end to the debate. It is this very certitude, and the response to critics, which makes me doubtful.
Must dash, I’m off to wrap up, it’s freezing here.
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DL Barnett has a point however, unfortunately those of us who are alive today are being forced to accept ever increasing costs and taxes because our rulers have divined that they have the power to control the climate if only they tax us enough and give heaps of our money to some of the major C02 polluters. The sum total of all this political activity will not reduce the output of C02 one iota. When one realises that the major oil companies, mining companies, power companies, are also the major beneficiaries of the Carbon trading scam it is time to put a stop to the whole corrupt movement. It is time to ask those who will be begging for our votes in a few weeks time to state very clearly whether they support the corrupt AGW interest group and if not exactly what they intend to do about it.
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If you think the winter is bad now, all we need is for the ice flows to totally melt to dilute the salt levels in the Gulf stream which will then stop warm sea water being bought by our shores and dramatically change our local WEATHER, and the world climate, and we shall have winters like Canada and Scandinavia, so just wait and see.
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Richard : it is not surprising that you have not heard the warming ceased 10 years ago with the big money tied up in the warmists industry nobody want to talk about it for fear of undermining their funding streams. However this was what Kevin Trenberth, lead author IPCC was referring to when he said “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”
John Hirst, head of the Met Office was interviewed by Andrew Neil on the BBC last week. Neil clearly stated that the temperatures had fallen over the past 10 years and that the world temperature drop in 2007 was the equivalent to the “entire net increase for the whole of the twentieth centenary” John Hurst did not dispute this fact.
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