Standing up against stupidity
Friday 18th September 2009, 11:30AM BST.
Oswestry’s firefighters were told they could not wash cars for charity — because the soapy water could pollute streams. It’s just another example of The Rules.
Firemen and women across Britain washed cars at fire stations on Saturday to raise money for the Firefighters’ Charity.
But, thanks to a ruling by the Environment Agency, the Oswestry station did not join in.
The Agency says that because the station is built over a watercourse, the car wash could not go ahead (despite the fact it was for only a couple of hours and didn’t involve Napalm or Agent Orange). It’s the rules.
Meanwhile, shropshirestar.com has been kept busy with stories about shops refusing to sell alcohol to adults because they are with young people.
It doesn’t matter that the adult isn’t trying to buy beer for the minor, it seems that just being with someone under the age of 18 can be enough to see normal service withdrawn.
One man, an engineer, wrote to tell us that he walked out of a county supermarket after it refused to serve him.
The reason? He wasn’t wearing this reading glasses and had asked his 16-year-old daughter to check the label.
Sorry, said the checkout assistant, you could be buying that for your daughter. I can’t serve you. It’s the rules.
As a result the man (an engineer) and his wife (a teacher) left their shopping at the till and walked out. That assistant’s rigid adherance to the rules cost his or her bosses more than £100 in lost sales.
Now, obviously there should be rules to stop adults buying alcohol for youngsters. That’s entirely sensible and correct.
But the trouble is these rules seem to be applied without any sense. Shops sometimes appear to operate without any thought or logic, resulting in some very unhappy customers.
One Bridgnorth parent wrote to say that her 16-year-old daughter had tried to buy her dad a 15-certificate DVD as a present.
Sadly the assistant would not serve her because she had no ID. It’s the rules.
The mother then tried to buy it — but the assistant would not serve her because she was buying it for her daughter. It’s the rules.
Eventually the manager became involved and good sense prevailed. It’s — actually, no, it seems to be an exception to the rules.
We have plenty of examples of people being refused goods they are perfectly entitled to buy.
One 38-year-old woman complained that a shop wouldn’t sell her Bucks Fizz because she could not prove that she is over 18.
As one correspondant asked, “Where did this completely over-the-top approach come from?”
It’s a good question, and one that we’d like to answer on your behalf.
So, if you’re a mum of two who was refused a bottle of wine in a supermarket, tell us what happened in the comment box below.
Perhaps the council or some other organisation told your choir it couldn’t sing hymns because they “could cause offence” — tell us your story and we’ll look into it.
Was your wheely bin in slightly the wrong position one morning so the binmen refused to empty it? We want to know.
Or were you told you couldn’t photograph your own children or family members in an open public space because — well, you know, you can’t be too careful, can you?
If that’s happened, tell us. We’ll look into it.
Simply fill in the comments box below or email us here.
Who knows, with a little bit of luck and a few well-chosen questions, we might once again get good sense to prevail in Shropshire.
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Unfortunately it is not the fault of the shops – it’s the fault of society.The media also have a large part to play in this. Generally in all of these cases the rules are fairly reasonable yet if someone gets caught out they are usually dragged over the coals by the media and pilloried. Therefore people make sure that there is absolutely no way they can get caught out (even by making an honest mistake)by ensuring that the rules are rigidly applied. Yep – this is what society has come to. Just remember that when you are writing on message boards or complaining about every little thing – this is the result.
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Will they be taking the Fire engines down the local car wash in future then??
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Me and my wife (then my Fiancee) went to Llandudno to a pub for lunch she treated me as I drove there, we ordered 2x scampi and 2 cokes, but because she had no ID she was not allowed to pay for it, two cokes !!! she said as my wife can’t prove she is over 18 we can’t buy some food and soft drinks??? we have never been in another pub of that particular cheap chain of Pub ever again.
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If the Shropshire Star want people to stand up to stupidity and ensure that good sense prevails in Shropshire, they might urge people to see the climate change film, the Age of Stupid, which is being shown in the OMH cinema in Shrewsbury
See this link for details; http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/03/20/its-not-as-stupid-as-it-sounds/
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Unbelievable! Huw even manages to get climate change into a completely unrelated story. How does the man do it?
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Lol this tickles me as it reminds me of a few months ago when my dad went into ASDA – hes 49 and looks it grey hair the lot! He was buying some bombardier and was refused because he didnt have id. Luckily I was waiting in the car so I went in and bought it. I’m 22 and had my id so it was all good in the end but really how silly!
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Mark, according to the article the Star is looking for examples of people ‘standing up against stupidity’, so that ‘good sense can prevail in Shropshire’.
In the past you (Mark) have commented on the stupidity of people on this website who -despite all scientific evidence to the contrary-maintain the stupid myth that man-made climate change is a ‘con’ or a ‘conspiracy’ or a ‘lie’.
In this thread you seemed to be saying that you thought New Scientist magazine was a better source of reliable information on climate change than an anonymous blogger http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/08/31/slogans-beamed-on-to-power-station/ #30.
In the run-up to the UN-sponsored Copenhagen Summit on Climate Change this December there is a concerted campaign by corporate-funded think-tanks, PR companies and professional denialists to weaken any outcome decided by world governments.
I regard this campaign as ‘stupid’ and want to urge ordinary people (particularly young people who stand to lose the most) to stand up against this stupidity.
When political parties (UKIP, BNP) and astroturf campaigns (Drivers’ Alliance) embrace this stupid line, then I think it is helpful for our democracy to expose what they are doing -preferably in a public forum.
In the greater scheme of things, I think what they are doing is considerably more damaging -and stupid- than a few petty rules being enforced over-enthusiastically.
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I totally agree with Mark (#5)
Honestly Huw – and we’ve said this before to you –
As much as climate change is a serious subject, this ISN’T the place to discuss it !!
HUW, Please please, if YOU want to be taken seriously, confine your reposnses to threads that ARE relevant –
this one isn’t relevant to climate change!! –
Its about cleaning fire engines, people buying alcohol that are CLEARLY entitled to do so, photographing children etc.
So Huw – WHY can’t YOU write your own letter to the S/tar on climate change issues, get the S/star to encourage response, and we’ll then all have a sensilble discussion -and respect what you say.
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I used to be all for standing up against stupity, but now I’m with Huw – if you can’t beat them, join them!
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Huw Peach #7
Climate change is a lie, It’s a cynical ploy to curtail the emerging countries economies, that suits the the established economies in the scheme of things!!!
The Romans were growing grapes on Hadrians wall over a thousand years ago!!
It’s the cycles of the earth, If UK plc vanished tommorrow, It would make no real impact what so ever to climate change.
Get on your bike!
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Mark, in light of your views on climate change, what do you think of what Andrew has written?
askeric when do you stand up to stupidity and when do you just let it pass?
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I’m going to interject here. Asteriskdotcom makes the point that this debate is not about climate change. He is right, it’s about petty rules and people acting without thought.
Therefore no further climate change comments will be posted. (I know it’s an important issue, but this is not the place for it.)
Andrew Owen
Shropshirestar.com
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Huw on his soapbox again…
Its people like you that ensure people learn how to switch off… unfortunately not their stand by appliances but to the inane drawl you continuously spout.
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Is a British thing, probably English – we can’t cope with power. Even a little bit of power, we’ve never been used to having any and so whenever we have that little bit some exploit it to the extreme.
It goes to our heads, we’re intoxicated (to keep on theme), the supermarket manager threatens the till worker with their rules and paranoia and they implement it how they think because the rules are written to protect who write them (remember that one!) – they stock alcohol by the tens of yards and (umless told not to) have no qualms in selling it to anyone and take no responsiblity voluntarily for the abuse of the product outside the shop. However give them a rule to play with they’ll take it to the extreme.
People aren’t trained to handle power – give them a bit (unless they’re used to it) they abuse it.
This country has deprecated common sense to risk assessmentsm which can be followed to the extreme, but common sense requiers thinking. Risk assessment offers responsibility avoidance – common sense develops responsibility.
Walk away from the till, laugh at them tell everyone – complaint to their PR and papers.
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In terms of serving alcohol I think the personnel in supermarkets, pubs, etc serving it are probably a little bit scared – you see up until about 3 years ago if a minor was found to have purchased alcohol or another adult on a minor’s behalf it was the licensee that was fined. This has now changed so that the personnel who specifically served the minor (or whomever supplied to alcohol to the minor) is fined up to £200.00 as opposed to the licensee. So I think bar stewards and the like are probabay in fear of getting a whacking great fine and the possibility of a record. I know it all seems rather stupid but as an ex barmaid you’d be suprised how hard it is in some cases to assess how old or young some people are. My cousin is 25 but looks v. much younger and is always being asked for id. I, on the other hand, have never been asked for id once for anything since I was fifteen as I do look older than I am (which is not so flattering now I’m 30!)
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Up until about 3 years ago if a minor was found to have purchased alcohol, cigarettes, etc or someone on their behalf it was the licensee that was fined. The law has now changed so that the personnel themselves who have served the minor (or adult on their behalf) are fined up to £200 and risk incurring a record instead. So these personnel are probably being a little over stringent out of fear for their jobs and incurring a fine and/or a record. I know it can seem v. silly but as an ex barmaid of many years you’d be amazed how hard it to assess the age of some people. My cousin is 25 years old but looks v. much younger and is forever being asked for id whereas I have never been asked for id for anything since I was 15 years old because I look a little older than my years (which is somewhat less flattering now at 30!)
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I’m so sorry about my ‘inane drawl’, Andy (#12).
Let’s back to the really important issues that we are permitted to discuss, then.
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