In the picture, I am reliably informed it says ‘Coal Kills’.

I would have though ‘Christian’ Aid could have done better than that!

A quick glance at the King James and they could have projected “Their visage is blacker than coal” [Lamentations 4:8]

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Can I ask,

How much power was the projector using, and and EXACTLY how was it powered?

A few suggestions:

* Batteries? – (intially charged from the Mains – and so indirectly using coal?)

* Generator? – Using fossil fuels, diesel or Petrol)

* Directly from the public electricity supply?
– using power that is (albeit indirectly through the grid) generated by Ironbridge!

* Windmill (I doubt it – as this really wouldn’t have been capable of providing a large enough and reliable source)

Now…

Before anyone responds

Can I suggest that:

(as mentioned in the other post “good lord – spotlight on Ironbridge)

You visit withouthotair.com download and READ the excellent book on sustainable energy by David JC Mackay (published by UIT Cambridge)

You may be surprised!

Regards

Askeric dotcom

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Jayne, the following scientific institutions confirm that anthropogenic climate change is real and that human civilisation needs to do something about it to have an affordable future and a stable climate;

the IPCC, the science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, India, Japan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, the UK and the USA, as well as the International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences; European Academy of Sciences and Arts; Network of African Science Academies; the International Council for Science; the European Science Foundation; the American Association for the Advancement of Science; the Federation of American Scientists; the World Meteorological Organization; the American Meteorological Society; the Royal Meteorological Society (UK); the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society; the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society; the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences; the American Geophysical Union; the American Institute of Physics; American Astronomical Society; the American Physical Society; the American Chemical Society; the National Research Council (US); the Federal Climate Change Science Program (US), the American Quaternary Association; the Geological Society of America; Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia); the Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London; the European Geosciences Union; the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics; and the International Union of Geological Sciences.

The UN estimates that 300,000 people are dying as a result of climate change every year.

In light of these figures, the church is absolutely right to take the scientific warnings seriously and make it clear that global warming is THE biggest moral issue of our times.

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Now how do the church power there lights oh yes in the form of electricity, and yes we all know we need a new form of power, me not a clue but the powers that be do and dont want us to have it, how did they place that image on the power station ET maybe.oh and I also have the right to comment.

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Surely Huw Peach is sending the planet hurtling to destruction typing[using electric power] to write such boring rubbish.

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i reckon these leftie liberal loony green protestors are sponsored by the russians to try to undermine our economy, you dont see Putin and that lot having protests on their power plants do you, this is a deisease of the west because we are being too liberal with them, we should not tolerate this greenie nonesense we should hang them, and that would scare them off, the national economy is on a knife edge, these protestors are traitors to the UK, get rid of them, vote blue, go green

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“mass visual trespass” virtual nonsense more like! go protest in the US, China and India we in the UK are more than aware of the issues.

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Rather than complain that I am boring you, kevin hardy, why not engage with the arguments and tell me why I am wrong, as you did in this thread on the Shrewsbury North West Relief Road in this thread a couple of years ago: http://www.shropshirestar.com/2007/11/09/opinions-on-towns-relief-road/

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capt chaos. (#13) says that ‘we in the UK are more aware of theses issues’.

Would this be the same capt chaos. who in this thread ( http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/01/20/everyone-will-pay-for-airport/ ) said that ‘there is still massive debate whether [climate change] is a natural cyclic event or man made’?

More aware, Mr Chaos?

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How sad is Huw for firstly having a database with everyones comments and secondly raking up something two years ago?

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Big Matty: Excellent point re Darfur!

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As for the effects of coal burning on the global climate and the poorest people in the world (the subject of this thread), I saw a Christian Aid worker called James Galgallo speak at a climate change action in Coventry Cathedral on March 19th 2009.

(The climate action was demanding effective action on climate change from the UK government and an end to new coal developments.)

James Galgallo works with pastoralists in Kenya.

He told us that the lives of people living off the land in rural Kenya are being devastated by unprecedented changes in rainfall patterns there.

I know that you would rather that dangerous, subversive human emotions like compassion for the suffering of others were laughed out of the room, but -unlike you- I think we need to treat the testimony of people affected in this way with respect.

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How is it that no matter what anyone else says, Lucy W is always right?

Nasa do not say the world is cooling. They don’t. They really do not. Read the report. Read the summary on the website. It contradicts you, Lucy. It tells you you are wrong. They do not back you up. THEY TELL YOU YOU ARE WRONG! YOU ARE WRONG!

Oh, hang on, you did once see a programme on the telly. I take it all back. The brightest scientists — those who have spent years studying this —must bow down to your superior knowledge.

Honestly. *tut*

(And, by the way, I’ve always considered climate change and global warming to be the same thing. The earth is heating up and this is affecting the climate. Doubtless you are right, though.)

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Huw Peach… How do you distinguish from inconvenient truths and the real truth? It would appear to me that you too suffer from the same problems as the majority, you read a few article and this makes you an expert.

You see, I don’t know what to believe regarding climate change. However I am rather sceptical, do you not think that while we are looking at climate change we are having our attentions diverted from more serious issues? Could this be media manipulation for political gain, or maybe the governments don’t want us to see what else is going on in the world. Ever tried reading the smaller stories and not just the headlines?

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[What is your view of the action by Christian Aid?]

My view for what it is worth is that the church are trying to use a situation affecting all mankind for their own blinkered, rigid and elitist beliefs.
They constantly have to marry their fundalmentalist views. On evolution for example they say that the world is only 6,000 yrs old yet we are all aware that coal takes millions of years to be formed !

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Christian aid probably wouldn’t have had any money of mine anyway – I’d much rather give to secular charities rather than those who wish to push their God-myths alongside their aid – but they’d definitely not get it now – I’d rather they spent money given on food for the poor and hungry rather than on cheap, silly publicity stunts.

Similarly, I would rather that the workshy ‘climate campers’ didn’t disrupt perfectly legal activities as they are allegedly poised to in disrupting the operation of power stations. All they will succeed in doing is disrupting (and possibly endangering) ordinary people’s lives with unnecessary power cuts – let’s hope that anyone setting about breaking the law is prevented from so doing and promptly dealt with by the police and the courts.

And for the sake of balance Huw – I thnk it only fair to point out that over 30,000 credible, independent, qualified scientists from a wide variety of disciplines and backgrounds have put their names to a petition stating that they don’t believe climate change is down to human activity.

Much as you and the IPCC would like to bury any argument for your own political purposes, it continues nevertheless… why are you so afraid of open debate?

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YAWN

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Abolish all religion ..

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Peter, you said ‘I’d rather they spent money given on food for the poor and hungry rather than on cheap, silly publicity stunts.’

Bearing in mind the fact that the poorest and hungriest people in the world are the people most affected by climate change I think the more negative publicity that coal gets in the run-up to the Copenhagen climate change summit the better.

It’s likely, bearing in mind what is at stake in Copenhagen, that these inexpensive publicity stunts will save lives in the long term.

There are lots of secular organisations involved in the Climate Chaos Coalition as well as Christian ones as you can see from the list at the bottom of their front page.

http://www.stopclimatechaos.org/09/sep/video-saying-no-dirty-coal-0

You might also be interested to see the short video ‘Saying No to Dirty Coal’ on the Stop Climate chaos website to see many activists pledging never to vote Labour again if the new coal-fired power station at Kingsnorth goes ahead.

Shropshire actor and Age of Stupid star Pete Postletwaite ( http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/03/20/its-not-as-stupid-as-it-sounds/ ) promised the UK Energy and Climate Change minister Ed Miliband that he would return his OBE if Kingsnorth went ahead.

You said I was ‘scared of open debate’. I’m not.

Can you say why all these people in the video are concerned about the effects of climate change on the poorest?

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Any more details on your party’s “Green New Deal” for us common people, Huw?………..

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Huw (#13)
More aware, Mr Chaos?

I am all for reducing pollution and reducing our carbon emissions and we in the UK appear to lead on these initiatives, all I said was there is much debate whether climate change is natural or man made

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Huw Peach said “[Eva's] unpleasant smear smells of coal.”

Well I’ve just been sniffing coal and it doesn’t smell of anything. All its done is given me a black nose and now I look like a polar bear, which Mitchell Taylor, of the US National Biological Service, stated that “of the 13 populations of polar bears in Canada, 11 are stable or increasing in number. They are not going extinct, or even appear to be affected at present.”

Phew, what a relief.

There is no man-made global warming. The problems of the third world have other root causes.

The troughs of low temperature were around 1910 and 1970. The second dip caused pop science and the media to cry wolf about an impending, devastating Ice Age. Our end was nigh!

The Third World had droughts and hurricnes then!! They live in a hostile environment – its as simple as that. Nothing to do with the fact that YOU fly when YOU go broad. No need to feel guilty about it, just part with all your worldly goods and become closer to God in the process if you want to do something about it.

Old people die of the cold in the UK, do I hear you bleating on about an impending ice-age?

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[My view for what it is worth is that the church are trying to use a situation affecting all mankind for their own blinkered, rigid and elitist beliefs.]

I have had to repeat this part of my post Huw as you have not bothered reading it properly.

[denying the effects of climate change on the poorest,]

I did not make any exception to the poorest as you assert, I said ALL mankind.

I also pointed out that the ‘modern’ church has revised it’s view of creation from the world being made in 7 days to now believing it took 6,000 years. Still not quite long enough to make coal Huw!

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