Some people need to get a life!!!

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Well done to Christian Aid for calling attention to the climate talks this December, which are so vital for the future.

The words in the picture which the Star has used are: ‘Coal Kills’.

In the words of Paul Brannen, head of campaigns at Christian Aid, ‘Ironbridge was an appropriate target for our first Mass Visual Trespass because it is the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution.

It is rich industrialised countries like the UK that are historically responsible for causing climate change. They must now demonstrate a new kind of leadership in dealing with the consequences.

‘Climate change is already having a devastating effect on the people we work with in developing countries who have contributed very little to global warming.

Vulnerable communities are bearing the brunt of unpredictable weather patterns, droughts, floods, tropical storms and higher incidences of disease.

For these people, climate change is now a matter of life or death.

‘It’s time for a new revolution, a climate revolution. It’s vital that a fair and just climate deal is agreed in Copenhagen to come into force when the first phase of the Kyoto Protocol ends in 2012.’

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“My high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust (Psalms 144:2)”

That’s what they should have put up there!

These Christians learn the ten commandments and think they know it all.

Honestly *tut*

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Huw said (#2) “For these people, climate change is now a matter of life or death.”

“The Lord will Provide” Genesis 22:14

Convert them to Christianity and problem solved.

Next please?

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Huw said (#2) “The words in the picture which the Star has used are: ‘Coal Kills’.”

I think you will find that religion has killed more people than coal, with the Christians having their share of blood on their hands.

I notice that Huw no-longer preaches ‘Global Warming’ since NASA have confirmed that earth has been cooling since 1998. However, now it is strange weather. Is there no end to this list of acropolictic environmental forecasts?

It sounds just like the ‘Tower’ magazine (no pun intended) pedaled by the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It just shows that the greenies and religious believers have one thing in common. They both place their faith in something that isn’t proven, yet claim science proves it. Not so long ago they all believed the world was flat – because someone else said so.

I don’t want to deprive anyone form the comfort that their blind faith brings them, but I also don’t want the vulnerable and impressionable misled.

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convert ironbridge station to nuclear and finally we could get rid of all the carcinogenic radioactive waste that it is spewing into the air we breathe!

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Huw,

Can I take it that you and christian aid, wish to continue at least in some sensible way with our “energy using” way of life?

Look what happened when Shrewsbury Hospital had a power cut the other day!

If we are to accept that we wish to keep at least some of the “good” things about our “high tech” way of living, then we need supply “high grade” energy reliably.

(“High grade energy” is that which is available “on tap” – or at the flick of a switch)

So Huw, (and Christian Aid)

1. Tell us how much each person might need, on average, (in the new green world) in terms of KWh / day, and then..

2. Tell us how that KWh demand is going to be generated reliably.

The alternative is that:
…. the lights, (and certainly the internet that enables us to communicate in this way) … WILL … repeat… WILL … GO OUT.

Can I recommend readers to look at:

withouthotair.com –
And then download, and READ the excellent book free in PDF form about Sustainable energy written by David J C Mackay. (published by UIT Cambridge)

The book is factual – and presents all the arguments for various forms of power generation and usage, accurately and fairly.

You may well be surpised!

A quote from the opening chapter of the book:

“I’m concerned about cutting UK emissions of twaddle – twaddle about
sustainable energy. Everyone says getting off fossil fuels is important, and
we’re all encouraged to “make a difference,” but many of the things that
allegedly make a difference don’t add up.
Twaddle emissions are high at the moment because people get emotional
(for example about wind farms or nuclear power) and no-one talks about numbers. Or if they do mention numbers, they select them to sound big, to make an impression, and to score points in arguments, rather than to aid thoughtful discussion.

This is a straight-talking book about the numbers. The aim is to guide the reader around the claptrap to actions that really make a difference and to policies that add up. “”

(end quote)

So guys….

Happy Reading …

Again – You may be surprised !!!

Regards

Askeric dotcom

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Lucy W doesn’t ‘want the vulnerable and impressionable misled’ (#9) and repeats various dishonest claims about NASA and 1998.

New Scientist magazine has a response for Lucy here, which explains the science clearly for those who are interested: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14527-climate-myths-global-warming-stopped-in-1998.html

New Scientist states that, according to the dataset of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, 2005 was the warmest since records began, with 1998 and 2007 tied in 2nd place.

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Askeric

If the internet going off means I don’t have to read another one of your rambling self righteous posts then it really cant be such a bad thing!

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Huw, (#15)

I actually believe you will know by now from our conversations in other posts that I’m certainly not indifferent to the problems of energy supply and usage – and its effects on the environment.

However…. what I AM saying is … let’s all look at the problem properly, and then make choices and changes that really DO make a difference.

An example:
Just look at all the furore over banning 100W incadescent bulbs.
I cannot, as an Engineer, deny that low energy bulbls use less energy, … but .. does it REALLY make that much difference?

IF you really wanted to save a much LARGER amount of energy, and CO2 emmission, then just driving your car one or 2 days less a month would make HUGE savings in comparison, or indeed by just turning the central heating down 1 or 2 deg C.

That’s why I mentioned withouthotair.com. –

As it really does address all these areas in a well defined and accurate way.

What concerns me is that poeple like me, who want to understand the problem properly, and see useful changes being made, are most likely to be over-run by political and financial forces way beyond our control.

As I’ve said to you before, Ive been looking at the problems of energy supply and usage for many years, so you may be surprised to find we share many common views!

Regards

askeric dotcom

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askeric is right to raise (#13) David J C Mackay work because his book gets to the heart of the issues, which Christian Aid have raised through their powerful and very public action.

I have not yet read Mackay’s book, but intend to do so, because I feel it is a valuable addition to the energy debate.

As you have read it, askeric, could you say what you think of Greenpeace’s Efficiencity ( see http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/files/efficiencity/index.html for a look at the computer animation)which envisions a future of local energy generation.

Energy-saving light bulbs, driving the car less and turning down central heating will all help reduce DEMAND, but the question Christian Aid are raising with their action is about SUPPLY.

As someone who has thought about these issues and read the book by the Royal Society’s David J C Mackay, could you perhaps say what you think of this possible future?

In Denmark the governments sees empowering local communities as the way to reducing greenhouse gases.

Community-owned enterprises own 50% of the country’s private wind farms.

85% of Denmark’s wind generation capacity is in small clusters – rather than large industrial developments.

What do you think?

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Huw, don’t worry about peak oil – there’s loads more, just more expensive to extract. However with progress, it will be economically viable. Have you not seen the Shell advert with the bendy straw and milk shake?

And then there’s tonnes of coal. Still loads in the UK, just Johnny Foreigner can dig theirs up cheaper for us.

The Canadian Rockies are practically one big un-tapped coal mine and Canada will soon have is day just as the OPEC countries have. In fact the Americans had planned to invade Canada to implement regime change and literate those poor Canadians from the shackles of democracy. However the Queen was having any of it and Prince Phillip started taking pot shots at America Air flights over Balmoral.

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For those who think that NASA might just be a slightly more reliable source of information than Lucy W and Ken Adams, I recommend this link http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/ which shows that 2008 was the 9th warmest year since 1880.

The 10 warmest years since 1890 all occurred between 1997-2008.

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