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Safety protest at site of boy’s death
Thursday 6th August 2009, 12:48PM BST.
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Basically, the protest has achieved nothing: The council have failed to listen or understand the issues or real problems.
These overtaking lanes at traffic lights are notorious for creating a scene like the start of a Grand Prix. For any Telford-based readers unfamiliar with the layout at Harlescott, it is similar to the Newport-bound fiasco at Trench Lock where the road goes from two lanes into one within 75 yards of the traffic lights. Another similar road layout has been added at the new traffic lights in Hadley in both directions on Britannia Way.
Why on earth can these councils not see the issues with creating such dangerous road layouts? The speed limit is irrelevant – once the lights change to red/amber [not green!], drivers in both lanes race to be the first to the point at which the two lanes merge into one with the obvious consequences. Wake up, councils!
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It’s tragic that a young life was taken, but could they not have found a better place to protest than on a central reservation (see the second photo, on page 3) that’s in the middle of this supposedly extra-dangerous road?
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I walked past this junction during the protest, and I have to say that motorists were all being very well behaved and clearly understood the situtation. Those protesting brought about a clear and simple message that got through to road users. Sadly, this morning we were back to business as usual.
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HSJP,
These lanes help traffic flow no end, especially when there are slow moving vehicles at the lights (or you on your high horse).
Without them traffic pulls away slowly when there are slow vehicles present and only one or two vehicles can get through the lights before they change, which inturn causes frustration and light jumping which is just as, or more, dangerous
What is needed, as in all road accident situations, is for drivers and pedestrians to be aware of their surrounding drivers/pedestrians and behave accordingly to the situation.
We are dumbing down roads, to the point where drivers feel that they don’t have to think for themselves anymore and this leads to bad driving and carelessness.
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These dual lanes at traffic lights are common around the UK reason for them is obvious slow vehicles in the left lane Buses/Lorries and quicker vehicles in the right! but when you get two cars in each lane it race on! bad drivers not a bad road! problem is how do you stop it? the simply answer is close the right hand lane.
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I agree completely with the idea behind the protests, but was saddened by the actions of one protester on Monday. Whilst sitting in traffic at the crossroads I clearly heard one male protester shouting abuse at someone who had used the second ‘overtaking’ lane at the junction. I agree that this lane should be removed, but any arguement to do so is undermined by thug-like people who shout abuse at drivers who haven’t actually done anything wrong.
We all know its a racetrack along this road in the evening, and we all want something done about it, but lets try and push for a change in the right way, without resorting to this kind of behavior.
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“but when you get two cars in each lane it race on! bad drivers not a bad road! problem is how do you stop it? the simply answer is close the right hand lane.”
But then you aren’t curing the problem…as you said it’s NOT the road that’s bad, but the DRIVERS.
There are thousands of these types of traffic lights across Britain and they work well with no problems…IF everyone is sensible….clamp down on BAD DRIVING, don’t make the roads worse.
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“Wake up councils” These type of comments drive me crazy. What does Mr Peasbody think traffic engineers are doing at the council, that they sleep all day while dangerous traffic schemes pass across their desks unnoticed. Traffic signal schemes are carefully designed and audited where a large number of safety criteria have to be met quite often under difficult site constraints where large traffic flows have to be managed, land take is limited and numerous public utilities lie beneath the road surface hampering possibilities without huge costs.
There is nothing technically wrong with this junction, Trench Lock or Britannia Way. They have all been designed to meet strict design guidance. These schemes are quite often not designed by the council but form part of the planning obligation of a developer to modify the adjacent road network to accommodate their new development. In the case of Harlescott I would suggest this is probably Tesco. The council of course has to audit and agree the proposed works but can only refuse the design on a comprehensive technical case. If the design meets all guidance and regulations do you want to waste £1,000′s of tax payer’s money arguing the case with Tesco?
The issue here is driver behaviour. There are an infinite number of dangerous situations which could occur on UK roads because people drive like fools. You cannot design for every possibility. As stated above by HSJP, if you remove a dual lane approach you decrease the capacity of the junction and increase delay times and this is fundamentally proven to increase driver frustration resulting in risk taking and accident increases. Are we expected to redesign the countries road network so we all drive around on a scalectrix track? If you think this then Wake Up
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Interesting responses. Of course, driver behaviour is the real issue – I know that. But it doesn’t help that a road layout creates a Grand Prix starting grid, despite its original intentions.
Perhaps the solution would be speed cameras immediately after the traffic lights. But I’m sure that Brian 2 and MSR would argue against this…
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Brian 2 what is your simple solution to this problem? it only takes one boy racer to cause another tragedy
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Idiotic driving can happen anywhere on the many thousands of miles of roads around Britain. You cannot reduce every road to single lane and partion traffic off just on the off chance of one foolish driver.
Maybe we need more Traffic Police and retesting every few years?
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Proposing solutions to this problem is fruitless unless the direct causative factor of the lad’s death is known.
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Brian 2 you can’t take all the idiotic drivers off the road, it just won’t happen. It’s best to try and control these drivers with speed limits and taking away road systems that encourage them to speed. I’ve seen to many near accidents at this junction, it’s time it was made into one lane.
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CCTV cameras fitted to all cars to record incidents of bad driving they do it in the States for insurance purposes?
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Jeff,
Please explain how a 30MPH limit is going to stop someone going on the wrong side of a pedestrian refuge and running someone down???
Why make thousands of motorists suffer for the actions of the odd bad driver?
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It was very sad young ben lost his life whilst crossing the road correctly, what it more sad is the amount of cars using the lane as people say like a race track, but what chance do we stand to get it changed when I myself have witnessed 3 police cars on 3 seperate days using this lane for the same thing-they did NOT have the lights and sirens on just driving to jump the que. People see them do and think ok for them then ok for me-theres no justice, I will carry on supporting the petition to get it changed no matter how long it takes.
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Bev,
The reason ther police cars use that lane is because……that’s what its there for….doh!
The thing is to use it (as all other parts of the road network) SENSIBLY. What part of sensibly do you people not understand?
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