Letter: In praise of local councils
Wednesday 22nd July 2009, 7:46AM BST.
Letter: In response to the letter from N Evans of Bishop’s Castle, headlined “The parish councils are out of touch now” I feel I must respond on behalf of the hard-working parish and town councils all over the country and in particular in Shropshire.
The Shropshire Association represents the views of member councils.
I agree that communications with council officers is improving, due to e-mail and other technological advanc- es. The rest of your letter is misinformed so I would like to point out that in general:
a) Parish councils have been around since the 1894 Local Government Act, having statutory responsibilities as a corporate body.
b) In general parish councillors are unpaid volunteers claiming expenses for meetings outside of the parish boundary as approved by the council only.
c) Councillors are publicly accountable, being democratically elected.
d) Shropshire has 165 parish councils.
e) Any meeting of a parish or town council must be open to the public and press unless it has confidential business relating to tenders or contracts or employee issues.
f) Parish councils have to adhere to strict guidelines for the proper administration of public funds.
g) A good parish council will support its community groups financially.
h) The Welsh equivalent are called community councils but adhere to the same constitutions, rules and laws with possibly some minor local variations.
i) Parish councils are seen as the most cost-effective level of service provision.
Karen Roper
Chief executive officer for the Shropshire Association of Local Councils
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Oh behave yourself parish councils are pointless .The power they have is minimul and their concerns with planning etc are taken on board then binned.All parish councils are made up of yes elected bodies funny it always has some farmers and then the farmers sons afater old farmer giles moves on . (weird that)Many on the parish council are busy bodies who lack forward thinking and especialy from the farming lot.It is 2009 time to get rid of that lot in my view and leave it to the main council the one group who has a bit of clout.
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Why wouldn’t Karen Roper support Parish Councils it is in her best interest to as without PCs S A L C would not exist and she would be unemployed and our main body of Local
Authorities would have hundreds of thousands of pounds in the public purse to regenerate our district towns.
How little you Know Karen, it is not true that Parish Councils are democratically elected bodies The Gorge, Madeley, Craven Arms
are amongst those who are predominantly
co opted. They are most definately not unpaid volunteers the few choose not to take their
allowance the majority claim it on average £45 per month either way it is included in the annual precept as a cost to the tax payer.
As for supporting community groups this is another delusion the only time Parish Councils align themselves to community groups is when they are boasting about giving out funding and jumping on the back of achievements of community groups.
1894 Government Act, almost medieval wake up, it’s 2009 now, I agree with Andrew Finch and
N Evans Parish Councils have had their day.
Local organisations and community groups are efficently run, more effective and really are in touch with the people and they do not claim allowances from any public purse.
Parish Councils are aimless and worthless, get rid.
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Karen Roper does a good job of trying to persuade people that Parish Councils are still needed. They are as far as she is concerned its from where she gets her income. Parish councils spend most of the taxpayer supplied money on wages and pensions for needless officials and upkeep of premises that would not be needed if the councils were disbanded. It is my opinion that parish councils achieve very little with no attention at all taken of their planning decisions because the borough councils consider them as taking personal interests too far. Most complaints to Standards boards are made through petty personal squabbles among often unelected busybodies in the local community and if they didn’t exist then Standards boards with their own costs would not be needed. Chris is right properly led volunteer community groups funded by the borough councils and charity can often achieve much more than parish councils and at better value to the community purse.
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I agree with the comments above made against this letter and support N Evans fully.
We are all trying to save money just to live, and yet a body of people duplicating work already done by the borough seem to feel they are the almighty.
To have parish councils costs a hell of a lot of money, to scrap them would save millions per borough and ultimatley our pockets.On average over half the costs of the parish councils is in staffing costs alone, a real answer can not be given for red tape, a decision is not always made for the right reasons or reflects the community surrounding it, just the councillors in the room at the time and this is proving time and time again to be for political motives only.
Why not scrap the parish councils, many which are co opted and therefore the people have not had a vote. Save the majourity of the money and have a pot of money which community groups can bid for to achieve what through red tape, lack of enthusiasum, and sheer laziness can be achieved by community groups.
There are some good parish councils that take the role seriously and involve the community providing what the people have asked for and looking at ways to reduce the cost and beat expectations. Unfortunatley these are few and far between. Until the empire building in the parishes is squashed and they start working for the community the communities will suffer and we will all pay for it.
There is a reason why parish council meetings are poorly attended, the people are not listened to.
Bring on the revolution………….
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section g defines the problem with parish councils, good eh , dont make me laugh! These councillors should act outside of party politics for the benefit of all its parishioners, the reality is they only serve their own interests aspiring to feather their nests in local government.
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Upon being made redundant a couple of years ago I was advised by a Shropshire parish councillor to try to get elected as although it is unpaid you can claim £5000 a year tax free expenses for attending a couple of meetings a month, a nice little earner on top of your pension.
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My God! Farmers in a rural community serving on their pairsh council? The very idea!
I once knew a factory worker who was on a town council! Ooh! How shocking!
In much of Shropshire there is now, besides the parish/town councillor, nothing between the elector and the remote and very badly run Shropshire Unitary Authority.
Town and Parish councils can be a vital part of local government. Some are bad. So get elected and make a difference!
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[So get elected and make a difference!] to anything that personally affects you.
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you musty be joking – councils are a waste of tax payers money – we would love to scrap them all – they take decsion making away from paretns and drain the public purse with their bloated fat cat salaries and gold plated pensions for the lazy workers
zero council tax in shropshire, no more eu beurocrats, small government is best, Labour isnt working,
god save the Queen
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Parish councils a vital part of local government.
When was that 1894?
Off with their heads!
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i actually AGREE WITH TORY BOY!!!????!!! god help me – but i do think there is too much beaurocracy and complexity in the government, a more stream lined and more centralised system would be preferable for me, something with less committees and less elections and less “policy officers” and people writing reports for no good reason, i would suggest we have 10 MPs for all UK and no councils and more private enterprises running schools, hospitals and trains etc
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There are as ever pro’s and con’s with parish councils not all parish councils are bad .some serve their communities very well.There is however a question of how democratic they are not enough people are interestd councillorsare returned unopposed which can have disastrous results for democracy .There does need however a link between the smaller villages and towns with the larger unitary authorities who can also be against democracy also in the unitary councils many of the council officials seem to be a law onto themselves.Some are promoted beyond their capabilities and become tin pot hitlers ,unable to interpret rules or legislation.and devoid of common sense .They cannot be reasoned with they have a we know best attitude ,I have dealt wth some myself people who would be overpaid if paid in washers .All councils should be made to adopt common sense and use this in all cases .Perhaps a new look at all thes problems should take place with a view to steamlining ,a view to efficency ,a view to adopting common sense and a duty to the long suffering electorate D.L.Barnett
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There are pro’s and con’s for parish councils .Itis necessary to have some form of communication between local level and the borough or unitary councils .whether this is achievd best by parish or small town councils is debateable .Not all councils are fully democratically electd ,in a lot of cases people are co opted on or returned unopposed .This could resut in some cases of friends etc. being on the councils which may well have a dictatorship feel about them .However some unitary councils have people employed who think they are there to run our lives ,these people become little hitlers ,out of touch,shielded from reality ,unwilling to listen to the people direct ,hence the role of a parish or town council if composed of the right people is an answer in some cases .Perhaps the whole system needs to change to make it more democratic and accountable .No knee jerk reactions we have seen enough of these from the present government wih disastrous results .Dave Barnett
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