Why do we have to pay for service?

Tuesday 30th June 2009, 7:00AM BST.

computer1LETTER: Like many I have no computer so am excluded from getting much information, entering many quizzes etc.It’s not just my choice, it’s like many people, I can’t afford one nor have the service to support it. I don’t even have a mobile phone.

Do I miss them, not really, but I’m angered by the Government. I’ve been forced to buy a service to cover me for digital television.

Now I have to pay £6 per annum towards others being able to use broadband, wherever they live. If they and firms want broadband let them pay, leave us, who don’t really have a choice, with the £6 in our pockets to use as we need.

B A Flowers

Newport


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    H. St. John Peasbody

    Dear Brenda, how naive can you be? Thankfully, you are no longer a councillor in Newport: your letter here has proved how totally out of touch you really are with the world today.

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    bugsy

    I totally agree with John Peesbody, Brenda, it’s 2008, get a life.

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    Peter

    Bugsy,

    Last time I looked it was 2009…

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    Tom M

    Um… Has no-one noticed the irony of publishing online a letter about not having internet access?

    Genius!

    “I’ve been forced to buy a service to cover me for digital television” What? You mean a TV licence?

    She’s also not paying £6 a year to support broadband as that cost’s not been introduced yet.

    Will someone print these comments off and post them to her please?

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    Andrew finch

    I agree with this peabody chap as time moves on so do we .We may not like it and may not wish to pay for many things but we do. I use a mobile for emergency calls ie if i break down in the car etc when out . I must admit it is a little tiresome listening to oiks bellowing down the phone in the high street, or where ever you may be as though the person they are talking with is deaf. why do they do that????.

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    Rodney Nosnail

    Brenda, it’s a TAX my dear.

    It’s one of many taxes that the government imposes on us. It’s to pay for those grand “infrastructure projects” which should have been paid for during the boom years while Gordon was “investing” (most of us actually prefer the terms “spending” or “wasting”) our money on government largesse.

    Get used to it, you’re going to have to pay far more of these type of “taxes” in the future.

    And as for digital – more boxes sold, more VAT for the government. In USA, they gave vouchers to everybody to offset the cost. Poorer people could buy one without any further cost while those who chose to do so could get a more expensive set and offset the cost with the voucher.

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    Mark

    Just regarding the ‘genius’ comment – there are these things called libraries. Many of them offer free computers and internet access (and books). So, it’s possible for people to have internet access without actually owning a computer.

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    John Smith

    Although I do sympathise with B A Flower’s anger at being forced to pay for something that he/she does not use I fail to see what the big deal is…I have been paying full price for a colour TV license for donkeys years and I am yet to watch any of the BBC channels, I pay for Sky and use that, along with shop bought DVD’s (which you also need a license for) and used videos in the past. I never watch BBC, nor will I ever watch it, and yet I still have to pay out, so why shoulnd’t you?

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    John Smith

    I live off benefits, I do not waste my money on booze in pubs every night of the week, nor do I waste it on gambling,bingo or ciggies. What’s more, I went to a library, read some books and learnt how pc’s were put together then built my own out of spare bits! If I can do it, so can you. I’ve never heard so much twaddle in my entire life! Times, as others have said, move on…we should do the same or fall by the wayside.

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    guest

    get a job!

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    ET

    I work hard. I do not live off benefits. I waste a lot of my money on booze in pubs every night of the week and so through the taxes I subsidise others who live an alternative lifestyle (by the way I pay private healthcare as well so I am not a drain on the NHS). I am also a single person who does have a family to benefit from the education system. Do I care that I seem to get a raw deal from the Government – No. I make choices and live with them.

    I have to say that 6 pounds a year is not a lot to ensure we all have access to the internet. It works out less than 2p a day – probably less than the cost of a teabag. I cannot believe the shortsightedness of some correspondents.

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    askeric dotcom

    This IS a very interesting debate.

    As an Internet Service Provider, I’ll be very honest, and say I can’t really decide whether I’m for this or against it.

    In the early days of Broadcasting (cc 1920′s), when there was only the BBC,
    (Borne out of a few radio transmitting sites – most famous was G2LO?)
    …. it might have been in order to pay for the service by way of a licence fee

    (And that was for Radio, a seperate one for car radio (Yes -that’s right!!) , and a seperate TV licence (1936 onwards), which of course several years ago was rolled up into one).

    BUT .. I think that WAS different. MUCH different

    The licence fee enabled the introduction of Public Service Broadcasting (i.e Radio) in the early part of the 20th Century, and I don’t think anyone at the time begrudged paying it – as NO ONE ever before had been able to communicate further** that you could shout!

    **Similarly – during the same time, the telegraph and telephone were being developed, and in those days, even into the 50′s and 60′s .. you were SOMEONE if you had a telephone! …. and YES you PAID for it.

    Don’t forget in those days it was ONLY the GPO – part of the post office* – that provided the phone service (so it was paid for out of service charges and taxation?)

    * -anyone remember the Dark Green Morris Vans with the crown emblem showing “Post Office Telephones”?!

    HOWEVER, TODAY it’s VERY different.

    We have all grown up.

    Radio, TV , Telephones, (landline and mobile), have all become VERY commonplace. – and are provided in the main by private enterprise.

    The internet is also no exception.

    The internet has grown from the original ARPA NET in the USA in the early ’60′s, to what it is now, a global resource provided by many different providers world wide.

    And so – That resource (the internet) is now also commonplace. Even the Inland revenue is insisting on TAX returns being made on line.

    However –

    The ONE glaring point in all this is:

    THE “TV” LICENCE FEE.

    This seems to be the precedent for “overall” charging (taxing) for resources, and this is what I think I CANNOT accept.

    I Have to say, on balance, that all these resources should be provided by (private)organisations willing to provide them, and the cost born by those wishing to use it. In other words if you use it, you pay for it.

    (And that of course would mean the abolition of the licence fee, since unless you actually “use” the BBC service, why should you pay for it? -Technology can EASILY provide for a “pay as you view” service – (

    which could EASILY have been inroduced as an alternative to the licence fee in the days of BskyB – (anyone remember “squarials”?)

    To charge a blanket fee seems to me to be the thin edge of the wedge.
    We will end up with another “licence fee” – with similar draconian measures to make sure you pay it.

    And as sure as “eggs is eggs” the £6.00 will grow to the same size as the licence fee.

    Mark my words!!

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    John Smith

    If I am to presume that Guest’s comment of ‘Get a job!’ was aimed at me,
    my answer is…mate I would love to! However, the fact that I am not only wheelchair bound due to chronic Rheumatoid arthritis that I’ve had all my life, but I recently had a heart attack. Now although I am certain that you are bound to come back with another sarcastic comment suggesting what I should do next, I’ll thank you kindly to keep it to yourself! Fact is, with the ecomony as it is jobs are few and far between, let alone jobs that cater for special needs workers. I am sure that those that are seeking employment will agree when I say there simply are none to be had.
    I was not bitching about my health problems, I was merely stating that if I can afford it, so could others. (If they didn’t blow their money on other things)and that although I didn’t use the Beeb’s services I was still happy to pay for them without whining about how unfair it all is.

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    Big Matty

    Without prejudice, and please take this in the correct context John Smith. If you are well enough to write such articulate messages on a public forum such as this, then are you not well enough to work from home a few hours a week? Not directly aimed at you as I’m sure your circumstances are genuine and valid. However its very common to come across people that could be very useful to society and the economy if they were to get jobs that utilised the abilities they do have such as computer use etc.

    Still what do I know?

    x

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    John Smith

    Big Matty, your comments are so true, why not indeed work from home? Sadly however, those ‘dream jobs’ are so very few and far between. I have spent many hours looking for such a job to no avail.

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    john s

    answer = because the private sector wont

    what do you think the government is for if not to paper over the cracks in the markets

    you all live rurally in Shropshire right? well BT, Virgin et al dont find it profitable to sell you broad band in the sticks ergo the public sector steps in or you go without

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    askeric dotcom

    Hi John S.

    You said, in # 16:
    “you all live rurally in Shropshire right? well BT, Virgin et al dont find it profitable to sell you broad band in the sticks ergo the public sector steps in or you go without”

    Well….

    surprisingly …

    We are an ISP based in Telford, and we supply broadband to many customers “out in the sticks”, and actually, the ADSL product is BT “ipstream” which of course is actually provided by BT, and “resold” by us.

    And … the reason it works well when supplied by us, and not by the major suppliers?

    It’s becuase we spend time putting in a proper installation, becuase when you are “out in the sticks”, (and line loss is high, and noise margins low),… instalation needs a bit more care… and thus .. you PAY more!

    There is NO reason why the other providers can’t do this, other than sheer lack of manpower – which they can’t provide becuase the prouct has been vastly undersold on price.

    In short – everyone wants it for nothing, and it just ain’t possible !!

    As I said,
    If use it, you pay for it!!
    But if you don’t… why should you?

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    Syd

    I agree with askeric dotcom, I pay for my broadband.

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