Letter: Trams are not the solution

Thursday 25th June 2009, 8:30AM BST.

tram-small1LETTER: I am writing in relation to a recent article in which Councillor Mansell Williams calls for trams to be used to solve traffic problems in Shrewsbury.

Every now and then, this ridiculous idea rears its head and I think it’s time the idea was put away permanently.

It must be said that as a person who was born and raised in the city with the largest tram network in the world, I am far from being against them. I am extremely fond of trams, but they will never be a solution for Shrewsbury for a number of reasons.

Firstly, we need to keep in mind the massive cost to install tram lines. To put a decent tram network into Shrewsbury could easily set our council back £50 million.

Secondly, trams only work well when they are not stuck in traffic.

So to have them work efficiently, we’d have to close every major access road into the town centre, otherwise we’d be paying £50 million for a tram network less effective and efficient than our current bus network.

As the councillor for the town centre I am well aware of the need to act on the traffic problems in Shrewsbury. However, I’d love it if green-minded people would be more realistic in suggesting solutions publicly.

Dr Maxwell Winchester

Shrewsbury


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    Jeepers

    I would have to agree. Invest money in the current public transport infrastructure (trains, and especially buses). Arriva haven’t always come up to scratch on their own, a properly funded quality partnership would be far more beneficial and almost certainly cheaper too.

    Why Councillors are obsessed by trams is a mystery to me. Maybe in a city like Manchester (where, incidentally, other forms of public transport – particularly buses – are plentiful) but not for a place like Shrewsbury.

    When will these people come down from the clouds and live with the rest of us?

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    Huw Peach

    I agree that what is needed in Shrewsbury with its narrow streets is not big, expensive infrastructure like a NWRR or a tram, but a combination of lots of small, smart and cheap policies to encourage us out of our cars.

    We would all walk and cycle more if the council made this safer with increased pedestrian crossings and further investment in cycle paths and cycle courses for novices.

    Using the buses would be more popular if they were cheaper.

    And the council could fulfil its targets on prioritising climate change and clean air quality by investing money in helping bus companies convert their fleets to less polluting vehicles and fitting all buses with “Continuously Regenerating Particulate Traps” (CRTs) in their exhaust systems to reduce particulate emissions.

    In these times when money is in short supply, it is vital that we spend it wisely on things which will raise the quality of life here and make our town’s transport system sustainable and able to deal with peak oil.

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    Grey

    While I agree that trams probably aren’t feasible in Shrewsbury it upsets me that Dr Winchester is so negative. Instead of coming at ideas with “it won’t work and here is why” it would be a refreshing change to hear an elected official with an approach like “ok what do we need to do to make it work”. Positivity and being proactive can make a big difference.

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    Bill

    Some thoughts:

    Use environmentaly friendlier minibuses instead of almost empty full size buses which discharge plumes of black smoke – fully agree with Huw’s comments regarding CRPT’s.

    Make sure that where on street parking is allowed that the carriageway is wide enough to allow two cars to pass.

    Limit delivery times for Heavy Goods Vehicles on Wyle Cop and High Street to outside of shopping hours.

    Create additional car parking within river loop, a lot of congestion is caused by people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park.

    Stop planning consent for new apartment and housing projects within the town centre that do not have at least two car parking spaces per house – I speak from experience, living in an apartment within the river loop where each of my neighbours has two cars per household and only one parking space….

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    jeffb

    Trams work excellently in Sheffield and Manchester. the staff car parking spaces at all major businesses has been greatly reduced, the transport system is now quick and pollution free making it a pleasure to visit both Manchester and Sheffield

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    ferret

    Shrewsbury was and still is big enough for horse and cart’s all traffic except delivery vehicles
    and buses every 10 min’s should be banned

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    Huw Peach

    Bill, I disagree with your idea of expanding car parks in the town centre, which will only increase congestion here.

    The problems you raise about 2-car residents with one parking space could perhaps be solved by council support and publicity for car clubs and car-sharing schemes, which have worked well in other cities.

    What do you think?

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    Huw Peach

    Dr Winchester said in his letter, ‘I’d love it if green-minded people would be more realistic in suggesting solutions publicly.’

    Surely, though, suggesting solutions publicly and generating discussion and debate are the very essence of democracy.

    Public discussion allows different visions of the future to compete in a public forum, and this is unequivocally beneficial to us all.

    We may agree that trams are not the way forward, but surely Dr Winchester must recognise that Mansell Williams has started a very valuable public discussion with his idea.

    And surely Mr Williams is right -and realistic- to say that a shift from private to public transport is vital.

    If not, then how will we fulfil our climate obligations and keep our country and economy moving when peak oil finally hits us, as it inevitable will at some stage?

    There is a story in today’s Independent newspaper about a suburb of the German city of Freiburg, called Vauban, where kids play freely and safely in parks next to their homes, where cars are kept at a distance, trams take people into central Freiburg, houses are eco-friendly, and green energy is sold back by residents to the grid.

    I would imagine that Vauban is the sort of place where green-minded people value democracy, discuss and debate solutions openly, recognise that their view is one of many, but feel -even so- that they have something valuable to contribute.

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    dena

    i dont agree

    i think trams would be great

    they would have to stop at the town centre though but they could replace the park and ride with a greener faster option

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    David Bond

    Before Dr Winchester and others are so quick to put down trams as being “unrealistic”, they should visit some of the many smaller towns in continental Europe which have them and find them extremely beneficial. Why is Britain such a land of knockers who pour cold water on every good idea?

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    Tory Boy

    ignore the greenies

    car is king

    Labour taxes cars and petrol highly, we will cut taxes when we get in

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    Mark J

    Cllr Winchester seems to have missed the point that the proposed tram network would use the existing rail lines into town and there would therefore be no need to “have to close every major access road into the town centre”. Using the existing rail lines and unused platforms 1 & 2 at the train station for suburban services/park and ride seems like a reasonable idea to be explored to me.

    If he is going to comment on the proposals, he should at least have an understanding of what is being proposed.

    As has already been pointed out, several towns the size of Shrewsbury in countries like Germany have very successful tram systems.

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    winja

    FWIW, I love the idea of travelling into a town centre on a tram, but Shrewsbury surely cannot support such a scheme due to topographical and current road engineering constraints.

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    winja

    Oh. And I can attest that Freiburg is a deliciously agreeable town to visit and – indeed – drive through! Indeed, that whole area of Southern Germany near Lake Konstanz is a joy to drive through. Recommended.

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    kobi

    trams are very fast and clean and green i think they would be good in shrewsbury but clearly only the urban parts and not the medieval core

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