So Alfie’s not the daddy. Great.
Tuesday 19th May 2009, 9:05AM BST.
Well hurrah! All that gnashing of teeth. All that wailing and wringing of hands until our fingers bled, all that stress about our society breaking down.
And then it turns out 13-year-old Alfie Patten isn’t a daddy at all.
Well, thank God for that, then. Here was me starting to worry about the fact children are having children these days and nobody appears to bat an eyelid any more.
No, there’s no need for a moral panic at all because the real father is… (drumroll please) …14.
Yep, 14. Great.
Oh, and the mother’s 15. Makes you proud to be British.
Now I’m sure there will be plenty of people out there ready to defend this situation, but, really, what a shame. All those things that young girl could have looked forward to – seeing the world, education – all gone for the next few years at least.
Yes, I know it was ever thus, that young girls have always found themselves up the duff, and it’s better now that she can raise the child at home rather than be sent away or have it put up for adoption. But it’s still a very sad situation.
One crumb of comfort is the fact that their (adult) parents are there to care for them.
After all, they’ve done a cracking job so far.
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More to the point this is a very disturbing issue of journalists (in this case the Sun) incorrectly identifying a 12 year old child as the father of a baby before the authorities have had a chance to properly investigate.
Imagine the trauma that this publicity and the subsequent discovery will have had on this chid and the long term psychological effects!
However it seems that all journalists care about (and it appears the SS is no different) is yet another sensationalist story.
Who is really failing our children here?
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Serotonin – yet again blame the press, why did they sell there stories if they really wanted there privacy.
The whole situation is yet another example of the continuing downward slide of the moral standards in this country.
I suspect the parents of the baby and the children see it is somekind of badge of Honor, and which will allow them all to continue claim loads of benefits that we the taxpayers pay for.
I think that people claiming benefits should be made to do some form of voluntary work, and with them having to start the workday at 8.30 – get them use to having to do something to receive the benefits.
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oh please, didn’t you see this on the news the two of them was more than happy talking to the reporter!!!!!!
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No.1, this story is purely the fault of the parents who saw the opportunity to sell their story to the highest bidder. It is not the fault of the press, who would not have published this story had they not been approached in the first instance.
I am sure there are other children in this country who have gone through the same experience, where their parents have not sold the story due to the shame.
You really do not like the press, but at the same time, feel the need to express your feelings via their website. A contradiction indeed!
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What I find bizarre is that many of you seem to think it is ok for the Sun to pay children for lurid sex scandal stories when in reality they should have been reporting the situation to the authorities.
Please remember that these are not adults but children and therefore are not responsible for their actions, if you think the Sun’s behaviour is acceptable then I think you are as much to blame for the decline of moral standards as the irresponsible journalists!
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“Children are not responsible for their actions”?
What planet are you on? If they are old enough to have sex then they are old enough to take full responsibility for the consequences – and they might if people like you stopped making excuses for them.
They are not little innocents, and I refuse to believe they had not heard of birth control.
Stop blaming journalists for reporting truths that you do not like.
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Serotonin, they didn’t pay the children they paid their parents, who approached them in the first place.
Get your facts correct before you write.
It is the parents who should be admonished, they are providing an example of how not to behave morally.
I suggest your views are one-sided and prejudiced against the press. Therefore, you are not open to balanced views from other people. Which, based on the other comments on here, would confirm that view.
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The thing I find most amusing is that the Messiah aka Max Clifford is now asking for the lads privacy to be respected, that’s where he has not really got a grasp on publicity, you cannot one minute be hawking pictures and stories to the great unwashed and the next remove the subject from the menu.
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The more and more I read the comments here the more I realise how much this country is doomed. It really scares me to think that some of you might actually be parents!
Anyway I have listened to all your comments and now I stand corrected and realise…
1) Its OK for the Sun to pay irresponsible parents for a lurid childs story of underage sex and pregnancy before it has confirmed the facts.
2) Journalists have only got our interests at heart, they are defenders of the British way of life and how dare I question the motives of such an unelected, largely uneducated and influental group of people
3) A 12 year old is a mature adult who is completely responsible for his actions, and should probably be put on the sex offenders register as his partner was under 16, hey why not hang him it’d stop him doing it again!
4) If I do not agree with what a journalist says it is hypocrisy on my part to say so. I should just keep my comments to myself and model myself on the comments of the oh-so intelligent majority of Shropsire Star readers.
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Serotonin, it is a fact that whenever someone starts to lose an argument they resort to exaggeration and silly comments. “Hey why not hang him? That’d stop him doing it again.” What a marvellously well-considered response. Brilliant.
The fact is, they are too young to be having sex. Better parenting and more discipline might have helped. It probably wouldn’t have stopped them, but they might have used precautions. Education is so important in these matters, and that’s the job of the parents – not the schools – the parents.
But you’ve probably got an excuse for the parents as well, haven’t you?
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This is why I think all children should be sterilized at birth.
And when they reach the age of 18 they will the operation reversed if they pass a test which confirms they meet the required intelligence to be a parent.
A bit draconian but its the only way to proceed.
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Mark
I apologise for my use of satire I through it was befitting of the farcical comments I had read including your own.
If you did read my response you’d have noticed that I mentioned ‘irresponsible parents’, so no I’m not making excuses for them, please don’t put words in my mouth.
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YMab, finally… a voice of reason ;)
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In that case, Serotonin, I sincerely apologise.
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Oh my goodness Ymab, I’m glad you are not in power with ideas like that!
Serotonin, please read all your comments as you seem to be tripping yourself up!
Mark, don’t apologise for your comments, you are entitled to an opinion.
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St George if I was in power everything would be much better.
I would do the following
1) Cancel all benefits paid in cash. benefits to be paid in vouchers for food and energy, no luxuries ie cigarettes, alcohol allowed if you live on benefits
2) harsher jail terms for serious crimes ie over 40 years and life to mean life
3) No luxuries allowed for prisoners, a bed a toilet is all which is required
4) MP’s to no longer have expenses paid, all expenses come out of the very attractive wage they recieve
5) If a child under the age of 18 breaks the law the parents recieve a automatic 250 pound fine
6) Child benefit to paid for one child only – this will eliminate people having over 4 children to claim benefits.
Am I elected then?
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Ymab, maybe you would be better suited living in a communist country or get a time traveller to take you back to 1840!
Best of luck with your campaign.
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Has anyone actually asked these children why they are having sex so young instead of just lecturing them? You cannot attack a problem unless you know the root cause of it. We need to know how they know so much about it, why they’re doing it and what alternatives we can offer them.
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suellan fowler – Children are not asked what they want to do or why they are doing it. That liberal type of wishy washy thought process has led to the mess we are in today.
Children should be told what to do and expected to do what they are told.
Aside from that it is really the parents fault. A lack of parental responsibility.
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Y Mab Darogan – This would have worked in a previous society, but society evolves along with the race which upholds it. Its nothing new that children will have children, its just the UK being too bl**dy greedy over teenage birth rates.
’2) Journalists have only got our interests at heart, they are defenders of the British way of life and how dare I question the motives of such an unelected, largely uneducated and influental group of people’ – Depends which journalists you’re on about really, journalists for papers eg. The Sun make their money from big selling stories. Or they’re politically inclined. Whereas journalists for local papers such as this one tend have more pride and publish a stronger range of material.
Again Y Mab – No arguments here but you’ve contradicted yourself.
’1) Cancel all benefits paid in cash. benefits to be paid in vouchers for food and energy, no luxuries ie cigarettes, alcohol allowed if you live on benefits’
’5) If a child under the age of 18 breaks the law the parents recieve a automatic 250 pound fine’
Would it not appear to you that the children who commit the most crimes usually come from a benefit orientated background? What happens when daddy gets sent to prison, because he can’t pay said fine (unless he flogs his food voucers), son goes mad as an element of that getting even more involved with the wrong crowds. Running around in circles.
I might one day go into politics, elect me? If I could send you back in time, i’m sure you’d work wonders. But its too late for those methods sir!
PS. I’m 19, I have had a troubled but steady background which has in the past lead to crime, but that was over two years ago, I’ve learnt a lot the hard way, ‘grown up’ if you like. A close friend of mine had her first at 16, second is on its way, but she to the best of her ability has supported her child and worked! That was considered a teenage pregnancy?
Alex.
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Alex has she supported the child? or has the state supported the child with taxpayers money?
There is a major difference.
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What if I was to tell you, a bit of both?
As a single mother at the time, what’s the problem with that? The benefit is there to be used, and used it may have been. Not abused.
Alex.
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Alex Evans – Should’nt the father have paid for the upkeep of the child and not the taxpayer though? I know if I had a child I would ensure I paid for its upkeep and not just the minimum amount the CSA make fathers pay either. Every bit of my wage would go towards to that child and I would be ashamed if a single mum had to go to the taxpayer to look after a child of mine.
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