Use light to power lights

Thursday 7th May 2009, 9:59AM BST.

street-lightsLetter: We all hear about the council having cut-backs to save money for this, or cut-backs to save money for that, well here’s an idea they could try out.

Instead of having to spend money on turning the street lights on and off, even keeping some in the dark all the time, why not have solar lights fitted to the street lamps.

Then they will be cost-effective as the sun keeps them charged up, no more bills for the council and it would save us money.

Mr P B Rollinson

Shrewsbury


  1. 1
    Bob

    Good idea. Can’t think of any reason why it couldn’t be done apart from the initial costs of fitting.

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    Lucy W

    Switch them all off, save the world and stop light polution.

    We switched the street lights off when we defeated Hitler – so why not now? It might bring back some good old British Tommy community spirit! Just what we need right now.

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    Rich

    Bearing in mind that the average wattage of a streetlight is about 80 watts the solar panel would have to be huge to capture enough electricity within the hours of light within the winter. It simply would not work.

    A better solution would be to retrofit the street lamps with low energy super LED bulbs like they have done in Los Angeles:
    http://www.tenbees.co.uk/article/climatechange/20090223190343/Los-Angeles-to-retrofit-all-its-streetlights-with-LEDs.htm

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    DevilsChair

    How about stopping any light escaping upwards – better reflectors – will make them light the area better (maybe remove some when it does).

    Also it would cut out that horrid dirty Red haze in clouds that indicates Telfords’ location at night.

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    sam

    solar energy is useless it wont power the lights for long enough and as for turning them off it will be open day for muggers rapists and burgalars

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    Lucy W

    Sam: How will switching street lights off effect burglars – surely the houses they burgle don’t have street lights inside them?

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    Huw Peach

    We could save energy + carbo emissions (and money) at night by adopting a scheme pioneered in Germany in the town of Lemgo.

    Street lights in designated areas of the town were turned off when they weren’t needed.

    They could be turned on with a telephone request.

    The ‘Dial4Light’ project saved the Lemgo council £40,000 in a year.

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    Thomas Telford III

    Telford and Wrekin Council are already working on this technology – well almost. They are fitting cutting edge technology to the new streetlights initially at Lawley but being rolled out as they renew the lights. This will allow them to monitor faults and turn the lights either down or off at night in selected areas.
    AS for solar power, the current bulbs on main roads are 250 or 400 watts and take a serious amount of juice. Daylight would probably be blocked by the solar panels needed but lets hope technology carries on progressing so maybe in afew years, solar power, LED and dimming \ black outs are more widely used.

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    TC

    Rich said: May 7th, 2009 at 12:55
    Bearing in mind that the average wattage of a streetlight is about 80 watts the solar panel would have to be huge to capture enough electricity within the hours of light within the winter. It simply would not work.

    Even if it just worked in summer it would make huge savings in the long term…..and better reflectors would be great too. Here in Canada light pollution is closely monitored and sustainable energy for street lighting has been something invested in for years.

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    sam

    lucy w when there is complete darkness they sneak up your street and burgle your house or mug you it is a fact that is why you should keep your hedges down to stop them hiding in the darkness
    in these dire economic times crime is going to get worse

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    Huw Peach

    If people needed light, sam, a phone call could provide it. Did you not read what Thomas Telford III said?

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    Lucy W

    As for Lemgo’s streetlighting – it’s only a pilot, and hasn’t gone down very well and is not going any further.

    What Huw failed to point out that you have to send a premium rate text for the light to come on for 15mins – those Germans have not taken to the idea, being very resourceful they are using the light from there mobile phone to guide them.

    In Rahden it cost about £5 to have you street light on for 2 hours, although Lembo has a different charging scheme of about 50p for 15 minutes. Anyone want to pay that on top of your council tax?

    Interestingly there has been no increase in accidents which shows that street light do nothing to prevent accidents. Stupid people cause accidents.

    Therefore I can see no good reason why we don’t switch them off altogether and follow Lemgo, and let people pay by text if they want them on.

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  13. 13
    Martin

    Wht not switch off the Traffic Lights at Hollinswood and Ketley Brook islands during the night, that would save energy too.

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    askeric dotcom

    Just one small observation…..

    You CAN’T power lights directly from solar power, as of course when the lights are on, it’s DARK , and hence the electricity obtained from the solar cells during daylght hours needs to be STORED, and that means rechargeable batteries – NOT very efficient!.

    And …

    NOT a very elegant solution is it??

    SURELY the priority is to generate electricity in plentiful supply from many renewable sources, that can power whatever electrical loads demand it, at ant time of the day.

    And I CERTAINLY don’t want to go back to the 19th century when there was no street lighting.

    IF EVER there was a criminals charter, then having no street lighting is it.

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    askeric dotcom

    Huw…

    ARE you SERIOUSLY suggesting that I need to make a phone call jus to get the street lights switched on? …

    And what about all the other 100′s /1000′s of people requesting the same via phone ? statistically therefore …. surely the lights would end up being on all the time anyway???

    I CANNOT believe that in the 21st century, we are contemplating plunging streets into darkness!!

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    Andy Perkins

    Dear Mr Rollinson,

    Using the sun’s power to provide our lighting seems an ideal and timely solution, after all there is enough energy reaching the planet every 40 minutes to provide all the power used by the population of the earth every year.

    However, there is no technology currently available that can convert this solar radiation directly into electricity in an efficient enough manner to light our streets.

    As an example, many systems on the market use photovoltaic or PV panels that typically have a conversion rate of between 12-18% of available energy, although there has just been a breakthrough in photovoltaic design with a prototype panel reaching 40% , so watch this space.

    The more efficient the PV panel the smaller the panel needs to be to provide enough electricity.

    If we were to use available PV technology on a sodium street lamp, we would need a panel area of about 1.6m2, plus a battery storage system and inverter. This would provide enough power to light one lamp from dusk to dawn during the months of April to September but only four hours in the winter when we see less daylight.

    No small consideration is the cost, around £2,500 per street lamp.

    Calculating average savings made by converting to solar, it would take each street lamp approximately 20-30 years to pay back this initial expenditure, and during this time the batteries would need replacing two or three times.

    A more productive avenue for the future may be to look at solar thermal, a method of heating hot water by extracting the Sun’s energy.

    This elegant technology has an energy conversion rate of up to 88v per cent and is much cheaper. The challenge lies in finding a way of converting heat directly to electricity, then we could ease the global warming crisis in an instant and save money.

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    Lucy W

    Andy P: Thank you for enlightening me (and I am sure others).

    Interesting problem getting heat to electricity direct, but doen’t the heat from burning coal make steam, which makes electricity?

    Re Solar Thermal hot water, I find that very intereting and use it when camping by leaving a clear bottle of water out in the day sun for some warm water in the evening. But I was wondering, can you ‘super’ heat water this way like a steam engine?

    Another interesting point I would like to make is that I am told that there is enough heat in a car engine to heat a home, so when you get home, you would be better off parking your car in the front room, or the next best thing, in an intergral garage that has been draft excluded and leave the adjoining door open.

    Being Green doesn’t have to be complicated.

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