I shall be voting UKIP too.

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tories in disarray

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Given that the significant US influence on our country is a major factor in the currenct recession, and that the influence of ‘global’ (but usually US-based) multinational companies continues to undermine our labour market in pursuit of short-term profit, I think that to move away from playing our full part in our natural trading block of Europe would be a foolish and dangerous thing to do.

The few protections that ordinary working people have – the minimum wage, the working time directive, directives concerning the transfer of employment from one entity to another, would all be undermined by moving away from the European political structure.

Doubtless the Little Englanders and xenophobes of UKIP would say that we can have a full trading relationship without the elements of political co-operation, but the reality is that you simply cannot have your cake and eat it – none of the other members would put up with such a parasitic situation.

I get a vote in the European parliament – I don’t get one in the US Senate or House of Representatives – why would I vote for a party that would put us further in the pocket of the US and ultimately take away my say in a democratic Europe? People like Christopher Gill are yesterday’s men – our future lies in Europe.

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methinks askeric has been at the Daily Mails again!
The “silent majority” have the option of not being silent, thats what elections are for, in truth deluded crackpots like to think they’re in the majority with no evidence to back it up.

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UKIP is not racist, we are not anti-Europe just anti-EU membership as it costs us more to be in then we get out of membership and the public is beginning to agree with us now.

We want trade and friendship with Europe but not political and economic union.

Those that say we are little Englanders either have not read UKIP’s policies or constitution! and try to put voters off by such silly name calling.

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we should have never become a member of the eu. we should have been just a group of trading nations in the common market. this is what tony benn and the late enoch powell campaigned for, and if these 2 were on the same side you knew common sense was being talked!

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UKIP denies anthropogenic climate change.

These scientific institutions say it is real:

the IPCC, the science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, India, Japan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, the UK and the USA, as well as the International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences; European Academy of Sciences and Arts; Network of African Science Academies; the International Council for Science; the European Science Foundation; the American Association for the Advancement of Science; the Federation of American Scientists; the World Meteorological Organization; the American Meteorological Society; the Royal Meteorological Society (UK); the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society; the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society; the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences; the American Geophysical Union; the American Institute of Physics; American Astronomical Society; the American Physical Society; the American Chemical Society; the National Research Council (US); the Federal Climate Change Science Program (US), the American Quaternary Association; the Geological Society of America; Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia); the Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London; the European Geosciences Union; the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics; and the International Union of Geological Sciences.

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Steve, No-one called UKIP racist – but their views are certainly xenophobic.

The suggestion that we could somehow get by without being allied to one of the world’s major trading blocks is naive in the extreme. The sort of trade agreements you suggest are simply unachievable as none of the other European partners would agree to us being a part of their group on that basis.

Inevitably, a greater separation from Europe as advocated by UKIP, would put us more in the pockets of the US – something we should avoid at all costs – after all we’re only recently out of hock to them in paying back their WWII loan.

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Oxfam warned today that the number of people affected by climate-related disasters has doubled in the last 30 years.

They said the figure is expected to reach 375 million a year by 2015.

UKIP denies mankind’s role in exacerbating climate change.

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Huw Peach,

Ref your post #13, and 17

When hopefully….. we have a new post on these forums regarding climate change, will it be OK with you if I “spam” it with endless quotes about politics?

Or would you prefer it, under those circumstances, for me to keep the the subject under discussion?

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Huw,

I think it is a legitimate view to question whether mankind’s effect on climate change is as great as those with a Green agenda would often have us believe.

There is an alternative legitimate scientific view, although it it proving increasingly difficult for scientists wishing to research in this area to obtain funding, not least due to the militancy of the Green lobby. Any suggestion that thay might be exaggerating the effect of mankind’s influence and that there may be other explanations is immediately shouted down. Why would you not want an alternative point of view to be considered? Is that because it doesn’t fit your political agenda?

There are discrepancies in the Green view of the world. We have seen that with the current glacial melt well-preserved bodies and artefacts have been found that are but a few thousand years old, indicating that there was a similar period of warming very recently within the timescale of Global history.

Clearly this cannot have been caused by the motor car nor by incineration or the inadequate recycling of rubbish. So what did cause it?

The Greens and their allies have long been anti motor car, anti tourist flights, and any number of individual freedoms which don’t happen to fit in with their evangelistic approach to their preferred lifestyle.

And we’ve seen so many objections – lead in petrol, carbon monoxide, now carbon dioxide.

Vehicle manufacturers in particular have made great efforts to resolve these issues but still the Greens seek to paint them as the great satan – and they must take their share of the responsibility for the loss of jobs in that industry. Now we even see the environmentalist lobby objecting to electric cars!

I’m sure that many people like me are willing to be sensible about recycling, to be reasonably prudent about the use of our cars and only undertake air travel very rarely.
But it’s never enough for the Greens -like fundamentalist religious people they really won’t rest until people are forced to think and live as they do.

For my part I’ll be damned if I’m going to be judged by self-appointed eco-warriors becuse I actually enjoy driving occasionally or taking a holiday abroad once in a while – but then that was always the trouble with puritans – they hated the idea of others enjoying themselves.

Much as I dislike UKIP’s narrow-minded policies, they have the perfect right to disagree with me and to express an alternative scientific view to that favoured by you.

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you can all vote tory safe in the knowledge that we hate the EU too and will get out

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It is a legitimate position to expose to the thinking public exactly who funds the climate change denial industry, whose agenda is faithfully parroted by UKIP, Peter and other anonymous contributors on these threads.

Note how Peter studiously avoids engaging with the long list of eminent scientific institutions (green lobbyists?) in #13 above, which have called for action on combating anthropogenic climate change.

That is because he cannot.

The evidence, amassed by scientists, is simply overwhelming.

And the evidence that big corporations have invested huge amounts of their wealth in trying to deny or confuse this evidence through the use of the PR industry is well-documented and in the public domain.

I recommend these websites (Sourcewatch, DeSmogBlog and ExxonSecrets), George Monbiot’s newspaper columns, and Sharon Beder’s excellent book exposing industry-funded PR campaigns against the environmental movement, Global Spin, to those interested in understanding the denial industry and its agenda.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) states that 150,000 people worldwide are dying annually as a result of changes in the climate.

This shocking figure and the figures I quoted in #17 are not even acknowledged by the denialists.

UKIP wants no action on climate change.

It is as if those people in the front line of climate change simply do not exist.

In light of this, it is hard to see how Mr Gill can possibly refer in his letter to UKIP as ‘moderate’.

No positive, progressive changes in history have ever happened, because people stayed quiet on issues that mattered.

Public pressure at the grass roots is vital, and I urge all readers of this thread, who still feel compassion for the fate of fellow human beings, to challenge UKIP on its untenable denialist agenda.

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Huw.

You obviously believe passionately about climate change

I’m sure, that, if indeed the outcome of climate change is as serious as you would have us believe, then that transcends mere “discussion” about political parties.

However – IF you really want to further your cause, then I think that “ramming down our throats” endless quotes and references isn’t doing your case any good.

This thread is about the future of a political party, NOT specifically about global warming -no matter how important that may be.

At the end of the day – IF what you say is true (and nowhere have I ever said I disaggree with you…) I’m sure any party with suffcient intelligence and skill to get elected is going to take effective note.

And let’s just remember, it’s “GLOBAL” warming, and hence it must involve all governments, not just a “UK” party (UKIP or any other for that matter)

So we are not alone in this!

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