Thanks, council, for killing the music

Saturday 10th January 2009, 2:59PM GMT.

Band The Nightingales on stage at the B-side in ShrewsburyYou may not have noticed, but Wednesday may well have been the day the music died, writes blogger David Burrows.

The latest people to try to bring live music to the pub-going public in Shrewsbury say they have been forced to knock the idea on the head – because the red-tape brigade have asked them to turn the music down.

The Albert pub used to be a hangout for the sort of people who think Burberry caps and acne is a fashion statement.

Recently it was revamped and the upstairs room turned into the B-side – a cracking little venue which has attracted local bands and big names alike.

But now the pub is closed. At a time when pubs are closing all over the place. The reason? Environmental Health – aka the fun police – has slapped the pub with a noise abatement order, claiming it is causing a nuisance to neighbouring homes.

This follows the idiotic ruling from the same officials during the summer that chart-topper Travis should be asked to keep it down a bit when they played in the Quarry, with the result that many people were left wondering who exactly it always rained on.

The Albert is in the centre of town. I’m sorry but if you chose to live in the middle of what is, effectively, Shropshire’s city then you know what to expect. And given the size of the venue I fail to see how much noise they could actually be making.

As for the Travis debacle, officials want the concerts – and the loot they bring in – but only if the letter writing brigade (who let’s be honest are all of a “certain age”) don’t object. It appears you can have your cake and eat it.

It’s interesting to note that a stone’s throw from the Albert is the new all-singing, all dancing Theatre Severn – a council facility designed to attract, amongst other things, live bands.

Now I’m sure that has better sound proofing than the pub down the road, but are we really being asked to believe that the disturbance caused by theatre-goers and their cars will be less than that of a few people out to watch a bit of live music?

Presumably anyone who arrives at theatre by car will be asked to put it in neutral and push it out of the town centre before starting their engine and continuing their journey home.

It appears we are quite happy to have artists like James Morrison – who will play at the Severn – and Travis in Shrewsbury but we are not prepared to do anything to help find the next James Morrison or Travis in our own backyard.

Is it any wonder the last big name to come out of Shropshire was T’Pau? (ask your mum. Or your dad: he would’ve fancied Carol Decker).

But live music is not the only victim.

Also on Wednesday, radio chart show Hit40UK announced it is ditching CD sales and will only reflect downloads from now on.

The show, which boasts some 1.9 million listeners, broadcasts on more than 130 commercial radio stations. 

And so the CD goes the same way as the novel.

I like buying CDs. I love music, but I also love the effort that goes into the packaging of an album. I like to see in innovative cover designs. I like to read the sleeve notes and the lyrics.

Well, looks like I won’t get to do that much longer.

There is a website which sells a wall mounting that you can put CDs in and, hey presto, you have instant artwork.

But that looks like it’s going out of the window.

I own an MP3 player, of course I do. But I regularly buy CDs too, the same as I like to buy books.

The new bookreaders mean you can download novels much the same way as you can music. They are even designed to be “booklike” so you still get the idea of turning the pages.

But it misses the point.

Apparently you can’t judge a book by its cover. Not true. You can’t judge a book that doesn’t HAVE a cover.

I want to see the front of my novels, read the inside bit about the author, and stick my tattered old bookmark between the dog-eared pages to mark my place.

Perhaps when we are all working from home, downloading all our entertainment to our multimedia centre, eating free-dried chicken ping and ending up looking like the fat, muscle-wasted humans from the film Wall-E the fun police will finally be satisfied.

I’m off to read a book and listen to one of my CDs.

But don’t worry. I’ll keep the noise down.


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    merc

    Well said Sir. I can’t recall the figures but the vast majority of downloadable tunes last year failed to sell even a single copy {look it up?}. Technology seems to forget that humans are inquisitive and like something to hold or look at.
    Anyway…The Council can’t dislike music or else they wouldn’t dance when Big Business called the tune.

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    john

    I agree totally with your comments concerning the Albert Pub.They’ve been having live bands there for years.Did the Environmental Health officer actually see any bands playing there?It seems they don’t like places that are not under Council control when it comes to live entertainment.The Council needs to get into the 21st Century and support local venues not penalise them willy nilly..And as for having James Morrison at the new theatre at £35 a throw?It unbelievably sold out.You could have gone to see him at Wolves for cheaper including train travel.What a rip off from the new theatre organisers.

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    Hilary

    No, turn it up like I do ;)

    It used to be so much fun listening to music … now it seems that people hate it … I don’t complain when my neighbours play their music really loud as I think it is great :D and I am nearly an OAP (3 years to go ;) )

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    Alex

    Interesting read.

    The fun police get around don’t they. There’s a few within close proximity of The Albert that also play loud music til the early hours. Will they soon be closed down too? It won’t be long until there’s nothing for young people to do in this town and soon all that will remain will be people of a ‘certain age’, as you like to put it!

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    mr j

    Burberry caps and acne is a fashion statement.
    could have a law suit on your hands here, shorpshire star!! people with acne dont like it and try and get rid of it. I dont have acne, but I know for sure, people with acne are the people who like the live bands in pubs, the people with burberry are the sort who go around causing trouble, 2 different sorts of people, by the way, this is being made into a complaint about this paper and there rubbish time-wasting stories!!

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    todd

    i am curious how you would resolve things betwixt the letter-writers and the youngun’s having fun. if lots of neighbours writing letters then what of the neighbours. should they all simply move to another town

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    ADE

    It’s really sad that the Albert has been closed down, what a joke that you can’t have live music in the town because of the noise. Go live in the country if you want peace, not next door to a pub.

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    fuggs

    while there banning live music could they do something about them fireworks they have in august
    every year we have to bomb proof the house (meole area)
    fuggs

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    Jas

    There is nothing left in this town for the under 60′s. The new theatre is a joke, give us back the Albert and cheap live music.

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    devon salopian

    in the centre of a town or city one expects loud pubs etc, salop should be no different. good luck to the albert. think again regulators, ther are enough pubs closing around the country without planners adding to it. the happy medium is turn it down a notch albert

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    John Kertland

    A great shame, but just what one would expect quite honestly. Well done Chris and associates for having high ideals and the energy to launch a revamped Albert. Not so well done the council for having little or no vision regarding live music in the area. I hope that the live music goes well in the new theatre venue. But, I’m afraid that I for one won’t be there.
    Lotta Continua.

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    susie

    Having lived opposite the Albert for a number of years, i can only say what a relief it was when it was taken over by the recent owners. We used to be plagued with 12 hour karaoke sessions, people fighting outside, the doors being left wide open and it basically being a pub you’d never go into.

    Since then when Chris and Simon took it over it was transformed in came more consideration for the neighbours with music upstairs or downstairs with the front door shut, the rear door has a second door with a section that acted as a sound dampener. Gone were the constant scraps and numerous police visits and in came a tolerant and friendly pub that was a good place to go.

    It’s a real shame that it’s been shut down having provided so much good music for people!

    And i fully agree with statements earlier if you don’t want to live in a lively place where you come to expect noise then don’t live opposite a bus station, near a train station, on a main road, near some taxi ranks and near to the local nightclubs. Let alone a pub that provided live music of all varieties!

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    idon'tbelieveit

    Strangely when my neighbours were having a party last year and music was blaring out at 3am the police told me they could not intervene as it was a civil matter – what is the difference?

    Could this be that the council only want music in their theatre where they will be making the profit?

    I wonder………

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    RF

    I couldn’t agree more with the article, and unfortunately I have even more bad news – I had been looking forward to Theatre Severn announcing its new programme to see which live bands it had booked. When I saw the programme I was massively disapointed – virtually no contemporary music. I contacted the programme manager at the theatre and to my dismay was told that they believed The Buttermarket was a more suitable venue!!!! This despite the fact that on the SABC website it describes Theatre Severn as “the perfect venue for live music, enabling Shrewsbury to host a diverse range of performances and building on an already excellent reputation for live music.” I mean, this is ridiculous isn’t it? As taxpayers we have put forward millions of pounds only to find that the theatre’s programme is geared nearly entirely towards children and OAPs! I had a good email conversation with the programme manager and pointed out the total lack of live music in Shrewsbury and we left it that if enough people asked for live music, he would try to book more bands – I think you know what you need to do! Email the programme manager

    Only more requests and pressure will make the theatre wake up and start booking acts that you want to see. If anyone knows how to get a petition started online, even better.

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    Si

    Excellent rant Mr Burrows. And one which I wholeheartedly agree with. Yet another attempt at providing a bit of culture which isn’t aimed at the over-60s is killed off before it could get established.

    And yet again the town centre residents win – I’m sure the pub was there before they chose to live next door to it.

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    Y Mab Darogan

    If peoplewant to listen to music – they should listen to music in there own headphones at a low level so as not to disturb your neighbours – even better they should wear headphones.

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    Pen

    Excellent article…
    The recent demise of The Albert is such a sad & unjust story. For one, as far as I understand it, the council judged it on it’s noise record over the last 2-3 years when the fact is it was taken over by the new landlord in Feb 2008. That’s like seeing a restaurant that says “under new management” but still not going because you had a bad meal there 2 years ago! All the staff worked so hard to turn it around from the no-go area it had previously been & had made it into a safe & vibrant venue for young + old, plus new, young music.
    In the current economic era you’d think a council would want to help local business that also helps bring trade & tourism to the town. Sadly they’re obviously out of touch with the needs & views of residents.
    Special mention for susie’s comments – as a neighbour you experienced the situation first-hand & therefore should be the most relevant of all of us. I echo everything you said & thank you.
    Well done Albert for trying. Shame on you council for not doing likewise …

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    Laurence

    @16: Y MAB
    Say that again – I can’t quite hear you with two sets of headphones stuck in my ears!

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    Can't believe this!

    This is terrible for Shrewsbury, where are we supposed to go and see live music now. Not the new theatre as they offer nothing for the under 60s. I feel so strongly about this i’d be willing to take part in some kind of protest.

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    devon salopian

    just trying to picture 3500 sets of headphones in the royal albert hall, or even more at the eisteddford at llangollen. come on y mab, time for a rethink on that one

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    Mia

    The Albert has had live music for years, longer than I’ve lived in down here (almost six years). It used to have an awful reputation but the new owners transformed it into a fab little venue for some of Shropshire’s best local bands.
    My boyfriend’s band played at The B-Side on two occasions last year and I’ve seen friends’ bands perform there too. They didn’t have to pay anything for the room, with the owners happy just to have bar takings for the night. The bands got to play for a crowd at no cost to themselves while the pub got extra customers. Everyone one was a winner.
    It’s a real shame that once again, something which brought a lot of fun and pleasure into people’s lives has been taken away, all because one or two whingers complained. You live in the centre of the county town, for goodness sake. You made that choice, to live in the very hub of Shrewsbury, so stop moaning about the inevitable noise or move to one of the suburbs.
    I’ve also been to gigs at the newly-named Hive in Belmont, which has plenty more houses and flats around than The Albert. It’s another cracking venue for local talent and I can’t say the bands I heard there were any quieter than those at The Albert. Then again, The Hive is run by SABC so the chances of it ever being slapped with a noise abatement notice are slim to none! (Not that I would wish it to be as it seems to be the only decent live music venue left for local talent!)

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    john

    Y Mab Darogan-what a killjoy.Music use to be a great cultural highlight in this town with the likes of the Buttermarket and the Albert. especially when it was played live.At least the the ex-owner of the Albert was making a contribution th the social life of a town which is sadly lacking in live music venues,not moaning about like some people we know.

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    Serotonin

    Totally Agree with Mr Burrows!!!

    The problem is that too many of these NIMBY moaners are in positions of power IMHO

    A Good Example:

    The Dun Cow is a popular pub that had been in Dawley for many (200?) years and was not until very recently in anything like a residential area. A few years ago a gentleman caused all kinds of problems for the then Landladies, complaining about noise and rowdy behaviour (which quite honestly didnt really exist!). The resulting restrictions on entertainment licences contributed to the falling trade and eventually to the pub’s sale and imminent demolition. BTW congratulations to the gentleman(?) concerned, I hope you are proud with your little part(!) in destroying Dawley’s little remaining history!

    So, why are people who make complaints after moving into areas that have had this kind of entertainment for years be taken seriously?

    The people in councils who are enforcing this nonsense are totally beyond me!

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    townfan

    I certainly hope that the editors of the Shropshire Star make this a double page feature in the actual newspaper and not just a hidden away blog that council officials are unlikely to read.

    These comments need to be spouted from the roof tops – Chris and his colleagues have IMPROVED the area yet are still shut down. Yet a similar venue run by SABC has NOT been closed down – Questions need to be asked and more importantly answered.

    The reason the town is full of drunks and fights on a Friday and Saturday night is because the youth of today have no direction – 15 yrs ago there was the Fridge in town and other marvelous venues for youngsters to be themselves and express themselves and be who they want to be. Nowadays, you are refused in the local nightclubs if you have the wrong shoes on or you are not wearing a shirt etc.

    No wonder most youngsters who go off to university never come back again.

    There are oh so many campaigns for much needed hospital equipment etc by the local press, but how about the Star get behind the youngsters, the future of Shrewsbury, and help question what is actually going on here.

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    Y Mab Darogan

    The headphones were tongue in cheek but being serious if people want to listen to loud music etc. They should be prepared to travel to Birmingham (Broad Street) plenty of night clubs and music venues in Birmingham, even Wolverhampton.

    Shrewsbury is a a quiet market town and that is how it should remain.

    You cannot have your cake and eat it.

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    Can't believe this!

    Well said townfan. Why doesn’t the Shropshire star get behind a campaign for live music and stand up for the Albert. The Fridge was such a long time ago, but people still talk about how great it was. They had the Stone roses play just before they made it big.

    Also, just an idea, but why can’t we use the football ground to hold live music, that way we might get some big names coming to the town and the football ground might make some money.

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    William

    I think it should also be noted the neighbours that live next door to the pub actually rent their homes from the brewery that run The Albert, not only that but they get a reduced rent because of where their property is.
    I think it’s a bit hypocritical to complain under those circumstances don’t you?!

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    Simon Jeavons

    Hi guys,

    I am/was the General Manager of the Albert/B-Side and really appreciate all your comments.

    We tried so hard to create something for the Town, following Chris’s vision, and for a short while we achieved it.

    I’ve got some great memories that will stay with me forever – Miles Hunt, Tom Hingley, Clint Boon, CCL, The Knights, Someone Else & Geniac and dozens of other acts & bands that made the last 12 months so special.

    Thanks to all of you that came down and supported it, and watch this space…..

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    ben

    This isnt the first time this has happend.

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    John Kertland

    townfan, I agree entirely with your views.
    At the heart of any town or city with big potential and vibrancy are the young people. Look at Manchester and Barcelona for good examples. There is no University in Shrewsbury, and that leads to a brain-drain away from the area. There are small pockets of cultural creativity ,the Hive being one them. However, there is nowhere near enough to persuade any young person with ambition to remain in the area.
    Music has a special place at the heart of youth culture, and if you kill that, you are risking a bleak future, economically, artistically and creatively. Lowered or reduced prosperity for the local area being one outcome. Perphaps the people who make decisions, not only locally, might consider this before heavy-handedly making decisions such as the one that has closed the Albert.

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    Graeme

    I’m in the local band Someone Else, weve always had THE best nights at the albert, Simon and Chris really did bend over backwards to help you out. for example on the last night of our tour last summer we asked for a green room upstairs just as a joke and they only went and did it for us!!!!

    from now on im struggling to find a good venue in shrewsbury for us to play. i asked the theatre…they charge £1500 to rent to thier gig room out for private hire! what local abnd can afford that? the buttermarket are the same…why?

    i even went to the hive and they “dont put on our sorts of bands” because they fear it will be too loud!!!!

    there is now nothing in shrewsbury…already me and a few othrs are talking about putting on a gig to show the council how much the albert will be missed…and we could really do with some shropshire star backing if it goes ahead!

    look out for albert stock….coming soon

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    Lottie Plimmer

    I am an artist myself, and I play many gigs at local venues. However, these “local venues” are not local to me! I live in Shrewsbury, and the closest I can play a gig happens to be Wellington, Telford, or even Ironbridge! Shrewsbury is such an easy place to get to also, for bands, and audience. It’s pretty unfair to deprive us of live music in our own town. I don’t think they’ll be knocking the flower show on the head for being too loud. Well.. the fireworks may be their next port of call..

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    EE

    general@shrewsbury.gov.uk

    I’ve just written to this email address, may be everyone should do the same asking for this problem to be sorted ASAP.

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    concerned

    Not all OAP s are devoid of the capacity to enjoy live music. I still enjoy a visit to the live music scenes and can still enjoy a bit of heavy metal alongside the new contemporary artists new to the scene. I also attend classical concerts whilst still enjoying a pint or two in the few pubs we have left that play live music and which are frequented by young and old alike with the capacity to enjoy life.

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    honey

    I never visited The Albert as live music is not really my thing. However I do think it is a real shame that the town centre residents, local councillors etc have ruined something for everyone just because they dont like it. Just look at all of the town centre pubs that have closed over the years. The residents will not be happy until they have killed the town centre nightlife all together. I wonder though how long it will be before they are begging for us all to come back and spend money in the town when it becomes a shabby underused ghost town. I really hope it doesnt get to that stage.

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    john

    Y Mab Darogan “Shrewsbury is a a quiet market town and that is how it should remain”
    What right have you to say that?Why should people have to travel to Wolves or Brum to see live music?Local live music should be an important cutural feature of any town especially Shrewsbury.John Kertland’s comments sum up the problem to a tee.

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    devon salopian

    come on town planners time for a rethink, those in favour of music at the albert heavily outway the doubtors who probably do not live in the town centre. a happy medium is to reopen the pub, ask the organisers to turn it down a bit and keep an eye on things. common sense in all things s and a please. get they wurzuls playing there they will raise the roof ooh ooh ar ay

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    Clo

    Shrewsbury..a quiet market town? Clearly never been out on a friday night then….

    I can remember the albert when it was in a right state. Chris and Simon did a wonderful job of injecting life back into that charismatic little pub. I was the last sound engineer to work there, and it’s a damn shame that it closed. It was a great place for local and touring bands to stop off in shropshire! I find it so annoying soon as the sound levels were in fact regulated, the council took the license away.

    Thanks to all you lovely bands and staff who i had the pleasure of working with!

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    DBoy

    The council never even gave the B-Side a chance…

    When I left Shropshire it was partly because of the small minded inertia of the town…..thankfully this thread proves some life exists

    Long live the B-Side and what Carts achieved!

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    Jimi H

    How very sad, yet another “Lve Music” venue closes it’s doors. I wonder how many complaints it actually took to force closure and will the same level of complaints apply when Frankwell residents complain about noise from Theatre Severn.

    TOO MUCH RED TAPE
    THE COUNCIL NEEDS UPDATING
    KEEP OUR MUSIC LIVE
    IMPROVE SHREWSBURY’S RATING

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    Guy

    There’s no chance for any band, new or otherwise from Shrewsbury to make a name for themselves when the so called authorities just stamp you into the ground without even attempting to find out what the people of this town want. You may aswell bang your head against a brick wall.
    Kudos for the hard work & effort to get the venue up & running. Unfortunatly you didn’t know you were up against the walking dead..

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    Beckie Price

    I can’t believe something so good has been taken away from us. I go to The Albert and Bside quite frequently. And have had many good memories with friends there.

    Chris & Simon have done they’re very best with the albert and bside. Well done guys you really did transform the place.

    I’m shocked that people have complained about noise levels from a pub that’s based in town.

    Whatever next.

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    RF

    I’m all for putting pressure on the council to accept that people who live in Shrewsbury want more live music and not less. I also think it’s a total own goal that the new theatre is not actively bringing more live music to the town.

    As far as I can see, we all need to either contact the theatre programme manager and council OR start up some sort of public action – this could be in the form of the Star doing an article on it or even an online petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html). What does everybody think?

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    Tracey

    Hear hear, you said it perfectly. After 20 years of leaving Shewsbury I moved back thinking the town wanted to move forward and become innovative.

    And what I would like to know, is what about the residents who continually phone the police becuase fights/ noise disturbance around Rowleys House, they never get the courtesy of the police turning up let alone the council doing anything about the noise coming from Lloyds/Reflex etc.

    But no, yet another equally stupid decision from a council who allow planning permission for houses on the edge of the River Severn, because guess what – it never floods. But hey, extra flood defence for me.

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    john

    RF-good idea for a petition.

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    bizzy

    to be honest im glad the albert has gone that owd chris lad has let the pub go plus the music was too loud!

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    april

    i think that the council have a lot to answer for my uncle put his heart time and sole into that pub,for what!?!?! for it all to be taken away from him . the 1 pub in shrewsbury you new you could go into have a great time and walk out knowing that you had a great night with the feelings that you would return. every time you walked into the pub you had that friendly family feeling come over you. its a shame that the concil took it away from him but the memorys will always stay in our hearts !!!!..xx

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    Chris & Cheryl

    We feel so angry and so sorry for the guys at the B-side. I play bass for Judas Johnson and have had a couple of really good gigs there. We had to finish no later than 11pm so the B-side have tried to comply with SABC’s regulations on this and still they hve been shutdown. We wonder how many of Susie’s neighbours actually complained? If it was only one and SABC heard a recording of a gig then this can not be right ! Why do the minority always seem to get their own way, one complaint is always enough to close a live music venue ! Another thing that always puzzles us – Why are decibel monitors always inside the pubs so that even one hit on a snare drum takes it over 80 decibels.If they were sited outside, then a pub could actually soundproof the venue until the volume outside was down to an “acceptable” level.
    There are so few live music venues in Shrewsbury (HARDLY ANY WHERE ORIGINAL MUSIC CAN BE PLAYED) and most of them are worried about their licences because of noise levels, so who will be next to close? The only other pub where live music seems to have continued for years is the Yorkshire house but that is always on a Tuesday when its not so easy to get out.We will supoport any petition etc that will get the B-side back or at least some cheap live local music somewhere and we know lots of other musiscians/live music fans who would sign it also.We will also be writing to Theatre Severn to express our disapointment in their schedule. Nothing advertised is of interest to real LIVE MUSIC fans and seems to be for people under 15 and over 60.

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    Nik

    This is outrageous! If you choose to live in that area of town you are going to get noises. I mean if there is a pub right across the road from you it’s to be expected right?

    The Albert pub was a positive thing for Shrewsbury, especially for people like me looking to gain experience in music production and performance. Unfortunately I didn’t have the chance to participate in any of the Albert’s shows nights. Obviously at the moment I now have no chance as it’s been taken away from us. That the pub has been there for years and it may have had a bad reputation before now, but they had only recently turned it around in to a great place for local bands to collaborate with other musicians.

    IMAGINE this town with no local live music. There will be no chance for people to show what they can do, slimmer chances of gaining experience in the music industry, resulting in slimmer chances of getting a good job.
    Without live music this town would be a dismal, bland and boring place to live, more so than it already is. We need MORE live music venues, not less!
    It seems it isn’t important to the older generation to let the younger generation progress in what they want to do. It’s a real shame.

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    Virgil

    Mr Burrows … I’m certain there are bigger names to come out of Shropshire than T’Pau! Burrows is one that springs to mind! Lots bigger … 2 letters bigger in fact. ;-)

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    Simon

    Oh dear oh dear, Who gives a damn about live music at the albert although the majority of people are in support of live music there im not.

    You fail to see how much noise it could make? I think you maybe a bit deaf in your old age. I lived next door to the albert for 2 1/2 years and made countless complaints about the music, it was excessive went on till 2am and people slowly being let out of the pub at various times after the pub was ment to be shut.

    As for your comment about people should not live in the middle of “Shropshire’s city” maybe you should then look at the housing situation in shrewsbury and some people have little choice because its all they can afford or its the last chance to have a roof over there head.

    Im the same age as you and like music myself but town center pubs is not the place neither is it in a built up area where people are living.

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    confused

    Surely it is more expensive to live in the town centre than it is to live in places like Harlescott, Monkmoor or other outlying areas.

    I cannot see that people living in the town centre are doing so because it is all they can afford. A poot excuse.

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    Simon Jeavons

    I think the Town Centre is a more likely place for a music venue compared to Battlefield Industrial Estate!!

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    john

    “town center pubs is not the place neither is it in a built up area where people are living.”
    So your logic is that all pubs in every town and city in the UK shouldn’t play live music?Because that’s where the majority of pubs in the UK are located-in areas where people are housed.Try telling that to people in London,Glasgow and yes Shrewsbury-no live music I’m afraid this is a place where people live.

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    Elliot

    Simon, where do you suggest we see live music then ? In the middle of battlefield trading estate. Honestly, you are the worst kind of NIMBY. The Albert has been a pub for longer than 2.5 years, surely you expected some activity there when you moved in ? I live out of town a little in the countryside, we have ‘interesting smells’, flies in the summer, church bells and no street lights – but you pays yer money…. The place for live music IS in town – obviously, you know, where all the shops, pubs and night clubs are.

    As for affordable housing in the town centre – you’re telling me the only place in shrewsbury you can afford to live is next to the Albert ? You obviously haven’t done ANY research.

    As you say yourself, the majority of people want live music, so please consider moving somewhere quiet where the rest of the population won’t bother you, not next to a pub!

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    townfan

    so yet again ONE nimby ruins it for everyone else do they Simon?

    I dont work ‘normal’ 9-5 hours – and certainly would not complain about school kids walking past my house on their way to school. What gives you the right to enjoy a peaceful night, where as I can not get a peaceful morning?

    We all live in a society my friend.

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    Simon

    Hahaha Elliot your a funny numpty Why have music in town center pubs when Liquid/Diva could open its doors to live music on a thursday as that is one of the days its shut, Perhaps its because it costs next to nothing to get in the albert. Housing is extremely poor in the whole country and renting has become more and more expensive in every town and city. When I moved in there, there was hardly any live music but when there was even the council official was astounded by the amount of noise there actualy was considering the walls were sound proofed, How would you feel if you had a neighbour that decided he wanted live music in his front room right next door to you every weekend. I guess your attitude may change. As for you TOWNFAN, schoolkids going to school is more important than having Loud Live music in a pub get your priorities straight.

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    john

    Pubs are ideal venues for live music,it would be cheaper to the punter music wise as well as drink wise.Whereas the likes of Liquid would be very expensive plus they’re only interested in big names who will attract big crowds.Pubs are ideal as they give a great opportunity to bands who are starting out on the road to stardom and they’re open every night.

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    B-Sider

    Simon : Bet that reduced rent off the brewery helped ease the pain of all that noise……

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    Lisa

    B-Sider…and everyone else on this thread… The B-Side Venue is closed, but there is still the Buttermarket!
    B-Side Events Present………..
    February 6th 7.30pm, £3
    The Cellars @ The Buttermarket, Howard Street Shrewsbury.
    Local bands : Long Nines, Someone Else,Throwaway Soldier and Hello Cleveland!

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    Chris & Cheryl

    Thanks for informing us of this event Lisa, Not seen it advertised before. At least we can still get to see original live bands somewhere in Shrewsbury then ! Look forward to it.

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