Of course people should give up smoking….And at the same time they should stop drinking alcohol too as that’s also bad for peoples health….. And eating chocolate…. Obesity Is on the rise..

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I own 3 bars in the U.S. and I also have switched and it has saved my bars and actually created more business because people are amazed by these things. Thank you Crown7!!!

http://www.Crown7.com

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yes but being obese doesn’t affect the health of people around you.
E-cigarettes though, seriously. Does one have to charge them up every so often?

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must get my barretts sweet cigarettes out and the liquroice pipe, sounds as though they will do well in the clubs. anybody remeber the chocolate fags with rice paper around them?

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Devon: Chocolate fags with rice paper around them! You have brought back such happy memories when childhood was innocent and unfettered from the PC brigade.

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Has the device been tested?

Well Steve , lets see now….

You mention:

1. EMC = ElectroMagnetic compatibility – this relates to radio frequency “emissions”, and suseceptibility, nothing to do with “health” issues

2 Rhos
The RoHS Directive is “the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment”. This Directive bans the placing on the EU market of new electrical and electronic equipment containing more than agreed levels of lead, cadmium, mercury, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB) and polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) flame retardants.

I would suggest that This relates more to the control of it’s constituent electronics parts rather than the “effect on health”

3. CE Mark.

This is a VERY broad statement, meaning that the equipment complies with European Market requirements.
Having been directly involved with the design, manufacture and CE marking of medical equipment, unless the CE marking has been applied to specific standards within the EEC directive, and certified by a Notified Body, then I would doubt that this marking means anything other that a general compliance.

That is: If the equipment is “in essence” a “medical” device in that it is effectivly administering some sort of “cigarette equivalent effect” to the body, then I doubt whether this would have had the CE mark applied without additional qualification eg: CE0120.

Having said that – I would agree that we live in times now that are FAR TOO cosseted, and risk adverse. It’s doing nobidy any good, and we will all suffer as a result !

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Devon: You had it easy! I had to walk – in the dark in winter with no street lights and pavements in places, and trying to avoid the dog poo. Used to love this time of year as I would pick blackberries on my way home, although my mum told me not to pick the one’s low down because dogs cock their legs on them. The secret was not to look at the berry then it didn’t matter if it had a grub in it – ignorance is bliss.
Can you imagine the kids being allowed to do that today?

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I don’t much care if those who are too feeble-minded to break free from nicotine kill themselves as a result, but I still object to being smothered in smoke – of ANY kind.

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Feeble-minded?

It’s comments like that which make it difficult for smokers to see any reason to protect your health. Do you ever think for a second that maybe smokers smoke because they enjoy it? That some smokers don’t *want* to give up?

I normally ensure that I keep my smoke away from others on the off-chance that they dislike it. I disagree with the smoking ban on principle, but even before it came into effect I never smoked indoors for that very same reason. Obnoxious people like yourself, however, seem to be *asking* for some smoke to be blown in your face.

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Hi Capt Chaos –

Oh – I don’t NEED to get a life – I’ve got a good one thanks

As a professionally qualified engineer, I’ve been in electronics, Radio, IT, Computing, the Internet for over 40 years – and I have many varied interests including playing music as a keen guitarist/vocalist in smoke free Pubs!

(see .. even stuffy old gits like me “without a life” but … with engineering degrees can still get ‘em Rockin in the aisles!! – nothing like a good bit of 12bar blues and rock n’ roll)

But when something like ….

“it’s been tested so it must be OK” is said on here then ….. – I feel I must challenge that by a qualified response.

That is not “getting a life” , but more like “being responsible”.

Askeric dotcom –
AKA: mad engineering musician without a life!

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I dont know what all the fuss is about. I my local everyone just smokes inside – no problem.
I’ve never smoked but repect the right of others to smoke – I can always leave the pub and go to a non-smoking one if I want.
At the end of the day, I always shake hand with a smoker because their contribution to the treasury is significantly greater than the burden on te health service.
By all means encourage people to give up, as long as you are happy for making up the lost tax revenue up yourself.

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Rob Davis,

A more dim-witted, hard-of-thinking comment I have never heard. “Feeble minded”?

I’d hardly brand Albert Einstein with such a moniker, nor Churchill, nor George Orwell, or – for that matter – Alfred Hitchcock. It is feeble minded comments from rabid anti-smokers like you, Rob, that single you out to be the person least likely to be invited to a house-warming party and an aspiring Victorian Dad. Now. Move slowly away from the keyboard.

askeric! Seems along with similar views on the anti-smoking lobbyists, and scamera fans, we also play the same musical instrument! Although I gave up gigs over a decade ago, the PRS still gets attention regularly :-)

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Lucy W -

Your reply to Devon made me laugh – “Devon – you had it easy” …

Now this reminds me of the famous monty python sketch where increasingly more bizzare extremes of poor living conditions are compared until the famous line …..

“tell that to the kids of today – and they won’t believe you” !

But .. the sad fact is that what you say is true – certainly in my day – Mid 50′s – 60′s – life was VERY different, cerainly more challenging for children – and in most cases more healthy. I feel very sad for young kids toady – we thought nothing of going out on long 20mile plus bike rides – camping out all day – climbing trees, cooking over open fires, swimming in lakes, we even used to sneak into the Army assualt course and go through all of the course “trials” – some of which were very demanding – and – we came out of this without any problems – AND very much more risk aware as a result.

It’s becuase of all this that I said earlier that we now live in a society that is far too cosseted, and risk averse. In another 10-20 years time I predict we will have a nation full of people that can do nothing for themselves that carries any risk.

Maybe that’s what our government wants ? – A totally dumbed down, frighened to do anything society – that – as a result is easy to manipulate.

Lets just hope in those times to come that we don’t have to rely on anyone like we did during the 2nd world war! – can you imagine the troops smoking electric cigarrettes then ????

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Hi Lucy – The sketch was:
Monty Python’s Flying Circus -
“Four Yorkshiremen”
[ from the album Live At Drury Lane, 1974 ]

Read on ! regards Askeric dot com !!

The Players:
Michael Palin – First Yorkshireman;
Graham Chapman – Second Yorkshireman;
Terry Jones – Third Yorkshireman;
Eric Idle – Fourth Yorkshireman;

The Scene:
Four well-dressed men are sitting together at a vacation resort.
‘Farewell to Thee’ is played in the background on Hawaiian guitar.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You’re right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who’d have thought thirty year ago we’d all be sittin’ here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o’ tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o’ cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In a cracked cup, an’ all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, “Money doesn’t buy you happiness, son”.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, ‘e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, ‘e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin’. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, ‘alf the floor was missing, and we were all ‘uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t’ corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin’ in a corridor! Would ha’ been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say ‘house’ it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our ‘ole in the ground; we ‘ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t’ shoebox in t’ middle o’ road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t’ mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi’ his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o’clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of ‘ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to ‘ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o’clock at night and lick road clean wit’ tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit’ bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o’clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ….. they won’t believe you.
ALL:
They won’t!

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These devices do work with people who want a healthier alternative to a real cigarette. With regard to the testing I find it a strange arguement, cigarettes have been tested and proven to cause cancer to both the smoker and the people around the smoker.

If you look at the ingredients used in the e-cigarette cartridges you will see that there are no carcinogens and that all of the ingredients are already used in products that are used daily such as toothpaste, cookies and food stabilisers.

In my opinion for the above reasons I would see this as an alternative for cigarettes and I have bought one for my father who used to be a 40 a day man, works for him and guess what, he aint getting cancer from a ‘tested’ product anymore!

PS – There have been tests on these items, currently only the interim results have been published but they are positive and the trials are being conducted in NZealand.

See http://www.smartsmoker.co.uk for the e-cigs, I got them from here for my Dad.

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