Would a DNA database stop fly tipping?

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Perhaps if data was made “open source” it would be safer than in the hands of bungling authorities.

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Welcome to Stasiland – and please remember to smile: you’re on CCTV!

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That is an interesting comment Mr Payne do you have anything to back up you claim that the Conservative opposition to ID cards is nothing but a gimmick which will be dropped if they gain power or that a Conservative administration would increase public surveillance?

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Yes Ken it is called living in a democracy, having free speech and realising that what politicians say in opposition never usually becomes reality in government !!!

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Thanks Mr Payne, so I read that as you have no evidence at all to back up your claim that the Conservatives will renege on what will be a clear election pledge to disband the ID card scheme. And no evidence to back up your claim that they will increase surveillance on the public.

As long as we know these bigoted opinionated expressions are based on nothing more than your personal prejudice.

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Mr Payne, Thank you for your honest reply I believe you are not alone in your cynicism, most of the people I speak to share your views.

At some point we will have to reassert our rights over the political class, there is really only one way to do that and that is at the ballot box, we must make our feelings clear to those who stand for election,and not allow ourselves to be fobbed off with meaningless blandishments.If there are enough of us who are willing to use our votes wisely we could place the candidate in the position of either recognising the problem and undertaking to address it, or losing their seats, to whom is not important.

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Unfortunately not voting only brings change for the worse as we have seen, the political parties loose members, people stop voting, then the politicians supposing voter apathy has nothing to with them invent ways to increase voter turnout, the parties start insisting on financial support from the public purse which further insulates them from the power of the vote.

I can quite understand that there is very little on offer from the main political parties worth voting for, which is why I suggest we try to band together to begin a process of voting against. If we the voters do not extricate the political elites from their comfort zone then the situation will just spiral down out of control. We must all cast ourselves off from any party ties and become floating voters and then we will see if the politicians can swim alongside us because without our votes there is a certainty an individual MP will sink without trace.

It is time we dislodged our own local MP or Candidate from their party machine and made it absolutely clear to them that it is us the voters who lead this country and under our system the government is the servant of the people, and we will not longer allow that concept to be overturned by political parties creating a self supporting cartel.

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I do not have a plan only the germ of an idea, one that I am happy to explore with as many like minded people as possible. Basically the idea is that the only way to pressurise our local MP into doing the right thing is to create a serious threat on their seat, this of course is easier in the marginals, but the more of us prepared to temporally bury our political differences the more will be the seats that fall into that category.

The only way to threaten a seat is to vote for the second place which ever that might be, whilst at the same time making it clear that our votes can be purchased by a binding promise to rectify the balance between the individual and the state.

It will mean that all of us will have to hold our noses and place our votes where they will do the greatest damage, thus the smaller parties perhaps even those offering to rectify the problem will be left out in the cold.

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My thoughts are that we all vote for the candidate that offers the best chance of removing a sitting MP MEP or local councillor, for some it will mean voting for Labour to unseat LibDem or Conservative for some Conservative to unseat Labour. In my case it would probably mean voting LibDem to unseat a Conservative.

It matters not that the person we are voting for has not promised to rectify the problem because we are voting against the sitting MP in order to show them that it is the votes of the people who place and keep them in power, not their parties and their duty is to us the voters to the people of this country, and not to their party.

It also matters not that the sitting MP has a good record individually on the issue. Because at the same time we continually write to those MPs raising the issue and making it clear that we really do want to roll back the powers of the state V the individual, when they start to realise that they will lose their seats, they will have to put pressure on the leaders of their party for meaningful changes in party policy.

We do really have a political cartel operating in this country, it is the political parties who set the agenda and with the process of triangulation reaching right across the board, each of them are offering us the voters just about the same set of policies, with only slight variations, which in reality means we do not have much of a choice at an election, but this fact conversely means it matters little to us who is in power in Westminster.

This is about removing the power of the parties to dictate there terms to us by breaking the link between the MP we elect and the power of party machine.

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Yes but a bunch of coconuts who have been served a very severe warning that we the people have had enough.

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Depends whether the coconuts are the ones you are kicking out or voting in Ken !!!

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