Our right to fly our flag

Tuesday 2nd October 2007, 11:47AM BST.

Flag of St GeorgeI couldn’t quite decide if the angry letter denouncing Telford and Wrekin’s new flag policy was genuinely from Michael Carey or someone playing a joke on him. Whatever the case, it was a great read.

The irony of the claim that not flying the EU logo was a denial of his citizen’s rights was superb.

I take the view that I’m proud to be an Englishman and I’m absolutely delighted to see my national flag properly displayed in its rightful place.

It was only pernicious, politically correct hooey which so terrified our town councils (or in Telford’s case the undemocratic bias of a handful of councillors) that stopped the Cross of St George being flown as a matter of course.

None of our neighbours suffer such silliness. They all fly their national flags with pride – and rightly so.

I would defy the devil himself to label me a xenophobe or a racist, I am neither. But I am an Englishman. I see no reason to be bashful about it and having observed the worst excesses of communism, I love democracy.

I could therefore, never aspire to love the EU because it continues to represent a stifling and unaccountable bureaucracy, funded by little guys like me.

I don’t hate it, I just don’t want it and anyone with half an ounce of common sense knows that were the electorate to be afforded a referendum, the resounding majority wouldn’t want it either.

Robert Jenkins, Stirchley


  1. 1
    James Whittall

    Very well said Mr Jenkins, the resounding majority do not want the EU as any referendum would demonstrate.

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    Arthur

    A good and upright man -

    “I take the view that I’m proud to be an Englishman and I’m absolutely delighted to see my national flag properly displayed in its rightful place.”

    Hear, hear, Robert Jenkins!

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    a.noune

    yeah, woooo a bit of coloured cloth makes everything better – thanks to this great decision there are no staving, no poor, no violence. amazing.

    get real you lot, it’s just a flag.

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    andrew finch

    the english flag , and the union flag should fly ,shrewsbury college principle if i remember demands the euro flag fly and not the union flag ,or the england flag i call this imposing his views on shropshire youth

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    Phil

    The Devil and his servants actually run this country, and I’ll bet he’d call the author of this letter a racist!

    You see, calling someone a racist is now used as a liberal technique to shut honest Englishmen up.

    But don’t think merely flying a flag makes everything alright. We won’t get off that easily.

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    Ken Adams

    “the english flag , and the union flag should fly ,shrewsbury college principle if i remember demands the euro flag fly and not the union flag ,or the england flag i call this imposing his views on shropshire youth”

    Probably because the like most of our higher education institutions Shrewsbury College is in receipt of several streams of EU Funding. Some would consider this an exercise in EU propaganda!

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    Bob

    A.Noune “get real” yourself and look beyond your narrow and cynical view of this topic. Everything starts with social cohesion and stability. A common identity equals common bonds and common aims – a pooling of resources, talents and efforts. From there, you can begin to address the ills that beset mankind – the hunger, poverty, crime etc that you mention. They may still exist in England, but not to the extent that they have done in earlier centuries or to the extent they still do in those unfortunate countries which lack the security and stability we enjoy. Flags are indeed, only pieces of coloured cloth, but it’s what they represent that is important.

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    Peter

    I think we’ve already had this discussion elsewhere…

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    Tony Lewis

    Let’s remind readers that the vision of a United Europe came from a great Briton – Winston Churchill.

    And may I suggest that the biggest threat to your national identity is the lack of English literacy amongst your citizens. Correct this problem first before attacking the concept of a unified Europe.

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    Arthur

    Let’s remind Peter Lewis that his aloof attitude, ignorance of historical context and detachment from the reality in the UK renders his remarks irrelevant.

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    ANDREW FINCH

    a flag what ever country it’s from is not just a piece of coloured cloth ,it is a country’s identity.
    it is said your name is the one true thing which is yours so do not change it or be ashamed of it. The flag is your country’s do not give it away or be ashamed of it.

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    Bob

    Let me remind remind Tony that what we have today with the EU is not what Churchill envisaged and that he also said of the matter “If the English had to choose between Europe and the open seas, they would choose the open seas.” It’s hardly surprising when you look closely at our EU partners in France, Germany and Italy, all beset with serious internal problems, but willing to see hell freeze rather than allow any British innovation and efficiency to interfere with their grand plan for Europe.

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    Tony Lewis

    Now then Bob – Churchill’s evacuation into the open seas was an escape from a Europe dominated by the brown shirts and black shirts. Today’s Germany and Italy are rather different and – some two million Brits live in Spain, France and Italy – to prove my point.
    Regarding British efficiency, and having worked in manufacturing in Germany, Switzerland and of course in North America, I must say that Great Britain lags far behind! Germany, I should remind you, remains the world’s leading exporter and Britain, as a manufacturing nation has seen its very last days. Very sad Bob, but unfortunately true.

    I certainly agree that Germany and France need some American, even British, inovation to kick start their somewhat stagnant economies but, nevertheless, their citizens enjoy a higher standard of living than their counterparts in the UK.

    What of course is obvious is the ineffiency of everyday stuff such as transportation in the UK. I once arrived in London to find the country in a terrible state because there had been a few inches of snow that had crippled the entire transport system. As I live in a city that routinely gets ten feet of snow during winter storms I find this funny – but also quite sad for a leading industrial nation that claims (to have) efficiency as a ticket into the next millenium.

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    Bob

    Well debated, Tony. Pity we’re running out of time to continue it on this link, I’m sure we should both have had much more to say. Instead, I’ll tip my hat and wish you well.

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    Peter

    Tony, Bob,
    What a breath of fresh air to see some proper grown-up debate between people with opposing views without resorting to petty insult.

    I look forward to reading your comments on other contentious topics.

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