Farming in crisis: There will be nothing for my sons to take on
Tim Dale is a fifth generation dairy farmer with 400 acres of land at Ford, near Shrewsbury.
Tim Dale is a fifth generation dairy farmer with 400 acres of land at Ford, near Shrewsbury.
But he fears there will not be a sixth generation unless price cuts imposed by milk buyers are reversed.
If that doesn’t happen, his three young sons won’t have the opportunity of taking over the family business.
“Every litre of milk I produce is going to cost me 5p,” says the 36-year-old, who has 240 cows producing 2.4 million litres of milk every year.
Thanks to the 2p cut introduced in April, and the 2p cut planned for August 1, Mr Dale estimates he is going to lose £100,000 a year.
“It’s a challenge,” he admits, with understatement, and although he laughs when he says it, there’s really nothing funny about his situation.
“I try to look at these things optimistically,” he adds, “I’ve been going through my sums very carefully and I’m confident, personally, that I can see the winter out.
“But there are others, I have no doubt, who will run out of cash before the winter and they’ll have to sell their cows off if the present situation continues.”

And when the latest cuts come in, Mr Dale knows it will be only a matter of time until he too has to turn his back on the dairy industry.
“We cannot stand it for ever,” he warns.
“There will come a point when you have to say enough is enough and you have to stop producing milk.
“But I hope that it does not come to that.
“Given the way things are at the moment I might be able to make a little bit of money as an arable farmer.”
But he says dairy farming has been in the family for generations and he would hate to be forced out – dairy farming is what he does, he’s good at it, and he is providing a quality product.
Mr Dale said he and his wife Laura hoped to build up the business in the hope that their sons – Freddie, aged four, Alex, aged two, and six-month-old Matthew – would have the opportunity of following in their footsteps.
“I would like them to have the chance,” he says.
But he knows that chance is fading with every price cut forced upon him.
“It makes me angry,” he adds, pointing out that milk is a product that does well for supermarkets and is one of those everyday essentials that gets people through their doors.
“They should be grateful for having it and be glad to pay us a premium for it,” he said.
“At the moment the price they pay is causing permanent damage to the supply chain and risks not having it available on a local basis in a few years’ time.”
Another Shropshire farmer, Rob Kynaston, shares Mr Dale’s gloomy outlook.
Mr Kynaston has 80 milking cows on 200 acres at Halfway House, near Shrewsbury.
At the moment he’s making a 1.2p profit on each of the 600,000 litres his farm produces every year, but that’s only enough to keep the farm ticking over, it doesn’t provide for future investment.
But if the co-operative he sells his milk to decides to cut its prices by 2p a litre later this year, following on from a 2p cut imposed in April, he’s also going to be making a loss. “I have the advantage that I own my farm, so the bank will lend me money because I’ve got assets,” he says.
“I can borrow money, but it’s not sustainable.”
Farmers without assets will find it harder to borrow, he adds.
“The thing with land is that you can do other things with it, such as grow crops, you don’t have to milk cows, but it means many people will walk away.”
Many other jobs depend on the dairy industry, he points out, not just farmworkers, and if the industry suffers those workers will also pay the price.
“When a bottle of mineral water costs more than a litre of milk there’s either something wrong with people’s buying choices or something wrong with the pricing system.”
Mr Kynaston, who is a father of two, has been in the industry for more than 30 years.
His father and grandfather were both dairy farmers, and he genuinely loves the job.
But he says supermarkets have chosen to sell milk at a loss in order to bring people into their shops, and are making the farmers pay the price.
He believes that most shoppers don’t really notice the price of milk, and a extra two pence on a pint, or 20p a week, would not really affect them.
“But,” he says, “it would make a terrific difference to farmers.”
Comments for: "Farming in crisis: There will be nothing for my sons to take on"
Telford Steve
Don't you get about £80 single farm payment per acre? I'd use that money to grow elephant grass on my land and sell it to Buildwas power station so they wouldn't need to import willow wood from the USA.
David Jones
400 acres of land... that's over 2 million pounds if he sold it.
I know what I'd do in his situation.
Port Hill Boy
How many more stories are there going to be about dairy farmers?
Mr Kynaston admits he is currently making around £70,000 profit per year on the 600,000 litres of milk he produces.
Not bad .
Chris Jerman
In reply to Port Hill Boy,
I think you need to get a new calculator , that would be £7200 not 70k , out of which he would have to live and replace any buildings that are past they due as there is no tax allowance on buildings , so ultimately it's the farmer and his cows who suffer .
In reply to David Jones,
You can only sell it once and around half of us don't own our farms so have to pay rent and can't sell and if we stop milking we could be in breach of tenancy and evicted ,making our family homeless and thus it's virtually modern day slavery for some farmers .
In other countries like denmark they manage to pay the farmer nearly 10p a litre more than here and yet the price in the shops is the same , indeed as dairycrest have announced nearly 4p per litre cuts to their farmers suppliers ,they have written to their doorstep delivery customers saying they are putting the price up 4p litre due to the increased price of milk !!!!
So in reality it's the customer , the farmer and the cows who get shafted by the retailers and processors
David Jones
Just to say: I'm fully on the farmers' side when it comes to milk prices! Something needs to be done on what appears to be a failure of the market.
Port Hill Boy
You are right of course about the return! Apologies.
However...a point I have mentioned in response to other "milk" stories remains valid here.
What does the cost of milk production include? I am absolutely sure that it will factor in money taken out of the business for the personal expenditure of the farmer e.g. food, clothes, domestic heating and lighting, personal vehicles, etc etc. In effect - wages.
When millions of others are facing reduced income, farmers cannot expect to be a special case. I don't recall the NFU extending sympathy to public sector workers who had salaries cut, nor to the workers in private companies who have experienced the same.
The Original Jake
"How many more stories are there going to be about dairy farmers?"
This is Shropshire. Dairy farming is massively important here; it's why we have three giant creameries in the county (Market Drayton, Crudgington, Minsterley). That's why the Shropshire Star (the clue is in the paper's name) is reporting it.
Port Hill Boy
"Massively important" in Shropshire.
How many people are employed by dairy farms?
The Original Jake
If you include the creameries that are only here because of the local milk supply and the supply chain to the farms and the creameries (and the secondary supply chain to the primary suppliers) then I imagine it's probably one of the single largest industries in the county.
The graduate
Where does one think the majority of milk comes from re muller? ??? and who do muller now own?? and how much of mullers milk is british milk???.
The Original Jake
Do you actually know the answers to your own questions?
Muller source 90% of their milk from within 30 miles of Market Drayton. That should help you with questions one and three.
Muller own Culina Logistics (guess what - another big employer that set up in Shropshire because of its dairy industry) and now Robert Wiseman. Does that answer question two for you?
The graduate
AND??? if your business is know longer viable you sell up and pack up, especially if you cant find an outlet for your product.
So what if you are the sixth generation??.To imply shoppers do not notice the price of milk? is unbelievable and to increase it in order for you to retain a business is mind rather boggling.
Why do you think the door step delivery disappeared? because the supplier put the price up.
Some farmers need to diversify some have in reality left it a little late to jump ship and fellow farmers have got there first.
It is also very clear that many hair brained schemes dreamt up to diversify do not work and some last possibly 5 years before that business also needs to change , that is the real world of business "YOUR" BUSINESS DOES NOT STAY THE SAME FOR GENERATIONS .
Insular , backward thinking, and a massive failure to change , adapt or even realize it may be time to sell up is the problem now facing tha farming industry .
Taking advice from so called experts such as land agents is not always the answer either , you can only have so many farm shops , empty holiday lets, glamping, outward bound courses, turning farm buildings in to houses or units which in my view is short term thinking and a quick cash fix. Many of these ideas have been taken already.
les
hi.i am a pensioner and would pay 2p a litre extra.good luck mr farmer.
The graduate
Easy to say when you get winter fuel allowance hey!!
Katherine de Gama
I have no axe to grind as I am lactose intolerant! However, I wouldn't like our countryside to change out of recognition or an occupational group to lose its livelihood.
@graduate - you buy into a market analysis but offer no positive suggestions or solutions.
The graduate
We have not got a fare and honest answer to this, but most small time dairy farmers will go to the wall or have to change , they are now being replaced by the super dairy farms a few now in the process of being built in shropshire.
Wile Coyote
Graduate of what? Poor spelling and bad grammar?
If it's the choice between spending a bit more on milk in a shop, or even, heaven forbid, popping along to a farm and getting it from source and drinking some mass produced or possibly imported rubbish then I know where I stand.
The graduate
mmmm personal insult, have you your own personal issues? my grammar and spelling are not what we are debating is it now you silly billy .
As for spending a bit more, research has shown the majority of people do not spend a little bit more if they do not have to, and if it is not a health issue, and they will not, just to keep a local farmer in business.
Buying it from farmer giles at source is i believe illegal for farmer giles to do ie sell it to you.
Finally how fresh do you think milk is? even when delivered by the old fashioned milkman with the "YOUR DAILY FRESH PINTA TAG" it was and is over a week old and older should the milkman take some back to the depot and put it out to the first customer the next day on his round which is the normal practice .
Wile Coyote
Plenty of personal issues, ta. Foremost among them those pretending to know what they're talking about whilst spouting barely comprehensible balderdash!
Research? Name your sources.
Illegal? Depends which farm(shop) you go to.
Week old? Even without access to an actual dairy farmer a quick internet search proves you wrong by 5 days!
I could forgive the bad grammar if only you had a clue what you were talking about!
Instead of espousing the negatives why don't you try and come up with a solution? Or are you the type of whinger that would stand around at the end of the world telling everyone else that they're doing it wrong?
eva land
My OH's family had an animal feed mill for generations until the BSE crisis which was caused by the pharmaceutical industries indoctrinating their animal feedstuffs in the 1970/80s served it a death sentence.
Why do farmers think they are special and that they work harder than anyone else?
The graduate
Behave Eve teachers work far harder and far more hours than farmers undisputed fact.
In fact i think teachers marry farmers and empathize with each other? can you imagine what it would be like living in that house ?.
scenario
MRS T TO MR F "I work 38 hours a day and some more if i am marking HOMEWORK" , "
MR F TO MRS T i work 250 hours a week in all weathers just to keep the rags on my back and have never had time for a holiday in me entire life??? "
" MR F TO MRS T "if it wasn't for us me darlin the country would go down hill fast now pass me crumpet if you have the strength".
"wish i could afford the butter to put on it darlin"
MRS T TO MR F
"Well i am not doing ANY housework , MR F TO MRS T well me darlin lets get a cleaner and get her to do it they don't do anything and pay them with washers they wont notice " .
Come to think of it i am aware of a couple just like this living in the county of Shropshire, note to channel four if you want an idea of a fly on the wall docu soap.. get in touch
Ken Adams
People her seem to be missing the point, the farmers are being forced to accept a cut for their product whilst at the same time a cost increase is being forced on the shopper. This must be so the middlemen can protect or increase their profits. OK so the middlemen are facing increased costs in transport, energy ect, but then so are the farmers and so are the shoppers.
Retailers and processors are now buying millions of litres from abroad this when the low prices and high costs are forcing our own farms to close, this cannot be good for the country or the countryside. So some farmers can diversify others might be able to sell but what about British farming why protect foreign farms and destroy our own.
The graduate
Ken people do get it .
The issue is any of us whose job / business is to provide others with a product always run the risk of another company popping up and selling it cheaper or even at a loss to get rid of us as a competitor .
We also run the risk of the product we supply no longer being required lets be honest about it farmer giles can refuse to sell to the supermarket if he so wishes he then has not got an outlet he then has not got a business so he moves on .
Supermarkets will always have a supply of milk.
Ken Adams
If we get rid of all the small independent farmers we will end up with an empty countryside and have to rely on big business and factory farms to supply low quality food.
Most of the recipients of farm subsides are large agribusinesses in some case the amount of subsides far exceeds the companies profits, thus the company is not profitable without public money. They are then using this public money to undercut the small farmer and force them out of business. I do not think big business should be allowed the power by government to use public money to ruin British farmers just to enhance their market position, especially when they are not profitable without subsides.
mr x
Possibly land at £7 000 / acre might be why farmers are struggling.
Hands up who bought a foreign car when British Leyland were struggling.
sowhat
the graduate (loosely!)
Surely you WANT competition though as it's competition that keeps the price down! that is unless you are the ones that are cutting farmers back to the brink?
You're argument is so wrong on many aspects that you begger belief with your opinions.