Blog: We mustn’t fight each other over health cuts

Wednesday 23rd March 2011, 9:21AM GMT.

Blog: We mustn’t fight each other over health cuts

Blog: With the final decision on the future of hospital services in Shropshire looming, I have deliberately kept silent on the issue. Mother and baby services are not my area of expertise, so I couldn’t possibly comment on the rights and wrongs of the situation.

But a side-effect of this terrible recession is that it has us all scrambling for pennies in the gutter, fighting over who needs the money most, forgetting that we’re all in this together.

And it’s Shropshire’s border with Powys and the inevitable argy-bargy over who pays for what that seems to create the most bitterness amongst local residents.

More than most, I understand what it is like to need urgent medical attention – and the panic that the possibility of losing access to it can create.

But I’m getting increasingly sick of hearing that tired old gripe . . . you know, the one about the Welshies getting something more for nothing than Shropshire folk do.

In case you haven’t heard it (in which case, where have you been?) it’s the one where disgruntled locals bemoan the fact that that Powys Local Health Board pay less for treating Powys patients in Shropshire hospitals than the fee charged for the same treatment on an English patient.

Understandably, people wonder and some jump to conclusions, assuming their tax money is subsidising the Powys piggy-bank – yet again giving English folk the rough end of the monetary stick while the Welsh roll around in imaginary clover, bathing in free prescriptions, sniggering at the border from their gratis hospital parking space…

But, actually, there are very good reasons for the way the pay-scale is set up – namely the huge amount of funding that Powys Teaching Health Board pay in to Shropshire coffers every year, helping to fund the very services everybody’s arguing over.

So it’s only fair that the needs of Powys patients are considered just as carefully in the great RSH v PRH wrangle.

But beyond that, whatever happened to political correctness? I thought we weren’t allowed to comment on someone’s nationality, let alone cast aspersions on what they get and whether they deserve it?

So whatever happens with Shropshire hospital services, let’s try to see a new dawn in terms of border relations.

As far as money goes, we truly are all this in this together and as far as people go, we’re not so very different.

Let’s not get so bogged down, bickering over who gets what that we’re too busy arguing to notice NHS services being moved out of county altogether.

Then whose fault would it be?


  1. 1
    The Original Jake

    I don’t understand why border politics should come into it at all. Access to health facilities shouldn’t be determined by what are, after all, arbitrary administrative boundaries.

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    Stephen Gash

    Before devolution we had one UK Government and local county/city councils. It was set up that way so that we “we were all in it together” – the Union that is.

    The Welsh have had three referenda on their assembly. We English have yet to have one on an English parliament even though 60% or more of people want one.

    Welsh MPs get to vote on English matters, because Welsh MPs say that decisions made in England affect Wales. Well, by Emma Suddaby;s own admission in her article above, welsh decisions affect England too.

    The biggest source of aggration between peoples in these islands is, and has been since it started, the United Kingdom. Devolution has turned that aggravation into hostility.

    Ay the very least England needs its own parliament.

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    wonkotsane

    What rot. Powys Health Board doesn’t pay for a general hospital in Powys, it pays for patients who can’t be treated at facilities in Mid Wales to be treated in hospitals in Shropshire instead. Powys Health Board pays a percentage of the costs of running the hospitals as part of the agreement to let them use our hospitals. The percentage of the run cost of the hospitals they pay is slightly under the percentage of patients that Powys residents constitute which suggests that they’re paying their fair share but in reality, the patients that are treated in Shropshire are more complex (and therefore more expensive) than the average English case because they are only treated in Shropshire if they don’t have facilities in Powys.

    The underpayment is around £2m per year according to the hospital trust a couple of years ago. That’s £2m that could be spent on services for Shropshire people in our own hospitals. The amount that Powys Health Board pays into the teaching side of things is an irrelevance, they are contributing towards the provision of services for their own county – it’s part of the running costs they are contracted to pay a share of. They can’t spend the teaching money on their own hospital because they haven’t got one so they pay towards training the medical staff that are treating their patients. It’s not a favour they’re doing us!

    The argument that “border politics” shouldn’t come into it is wrong. Although it’s usually referred to as “the NHS” in the press, it is the English NHS and Welsh NHS we are talking about here. Since 1997, the Welsh have had their own government with its own health budget and control over its own health service. It is the responsibility of the Welsh NHS to provide hospital services to people in Powys via the Powys Health Board. It is the responsibility of the British government (we aren’t allowed our own government in England) to provide hospital services to people in Shropshire via the NHS Trust in Shropshire. Powys people have no basic right to use hospitals in Shropshire, the same as Staffordshire people or anyone from any other county in any part of the UK or beyond (EU rules notwithstanding). More so for Powys people because they’re in a different country. It is simply a commercial agreement between the two health authorities that allows them to be treated in a different county in a different country by a different health service.

    It works in our favour in Shropshire to have this agreement with Powys Health Board because it means we have enough patients going through our hospitals to sustain services that would otherwise not be viable but that doesn’t change the fact that it is us in Shropshire doing Powys a favour, not the other way round. Without this commercial agreement, there is no obligation other than a moral imperative to treat patients from Powys.

    I would not suggest we cut off our neighbours and refuse to treat them at our hospitals because that would be cutting our nose off to spite our face and besides which I would consider it quite immoral. But we should get the full cost of that treatment, not a reduced amount. It also doesn’t mean that people in Powys should be able to unduly interfere in the way services are provided in Shropshire. The PRH and RSH are Shropshire hospitals built with English money for Shropshire’s benefit. The reconfiguration of services was, we are told, the best way to configure services for Shropshire. It has meant an extra 10 miles being added to the journey of some Powys residents and that’s regretful but it’s no more than the 10 miles half the county the hospitals belong to that also have to drive. I buy my shopping at Tesco but I wouldn’t expect to be able to dictate to them where they put the biscuit aisle or whether I have to go to the Tesco store in Wellington or Telford town centre to buy electrical goods. That’s how it works when you’re a customer, you take what you’re offered or you go elsewhere.

    The decision has been made now on how services are going to be provided at Shropshire’s hospitals. If those changes are unacceptable to people in Powys then they need to stop complaining at us in Shropshire and start complaining to their Welsh Assembly members about the lack of adequate medical provision in their own county. If every Welsh person donated the price of one English prescription on the 1st of April (it’s going up to £7.40 per item on the 1st, the same day the Scots abolish their charges) they’d raise £22.2m towards the cost of a new Powys General Hospital.

    Finally, a clarification on who pays what. The only country in the UK that pays more into the UK Treasury than it gets back is England. Under the Barnett Formula, England subsidises the rest of the UK in perpetuity. Currently that subsidy is £20bn and that’s how the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can afford to abolish prescription charges and hospital parking charges and why we in England apparently can’t. It would cost £350m to abolish prescription charges in England – just 1.75% of the English tax money the British Chancellor gives away to our neighbours every year. So yes, we are disadvantaged both democratically because we aren’t allowed the same self-government that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get and financially because we are expected to pay for the perks the rest of the UK enjoys that we aren’t allowed. We are most definitely not all in this together as David Cameron likes to say and like this author says. We in England are paying the lions share of the cuts and I will happily show the author of this article the hard facts if she’s not too precious to be corrected.

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    Salmondnet

    No. This is not just a matter of arbitrary administrative boundaries and yes, there are more than adequate reasons for the English to complain. We do not have one national health service in the United Kingdom, we have four. Wales runs its own NHS from a block grant provided by the UK government which, incidentally, provided substantially more per head of population than is available in England. Thus, if you live in Wales, no prescription charges, lower University fees and so on. If Welsh patients need treating in English hospitals, no problem, but Wales has been provided with funds for such treatments, it should not expect a further subsidy through paying lower (and uneconomic) rates than the hospital would get for English patients.

    As to the idea that mo one should comment on nationality, that is absurd. Wales voted for a National Assembly. It would not have done so were nationality either a taboo or an unimportant issue. If nations have separate funding, separately controlled by their own national institutions, then cross-border services must inevitably involve cross-border payments (in full).

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    Scilla

    So “we are all in it together” are we? Some of us are more ‘in it’ than others. With regard to health services we, in England, are taxed to the tune of £7.40 for each prescription, free in Wales. The British Government that rules us spends less on health services for us in England than the Welsh Assembly Government pays for those in Wales. Political correctness! Are you saying that it is not politically correct for the English who are more heavily taxed than the rest of the UK to complain about the way the Barnett formula is more generous to the rest of the UK, that we do not have national government etc etc.

    Are we simply to pay up and shut up? Sorry those days are gone!

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    wonkotsane

    Well, Emma Suddaby, do you want me to show you how we in England are experiencing an unfair proportion of the “cuts”? I’ll even come to Shrewsbury if you’re too busy to leave the office.

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