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Comments on: Phone firm under attack over mast http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/ Shropshire News - Midlands News - Breaking News UK Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:16:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-55598 Patrick Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:40:44 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-55598 Colony collapse ? Ah yes , a bit of bad science reporting – no truth in it whatsoever; “The Independent story was a hoax. …. the Landau University was about cordless phones and the learning behaviour of bees. The Independent misquoted them and linked their observations to CCD. No such link was found by the researchers” From science blog ; http://technocrat.net/d/2007/4/14/17983 “a University of Landau study appeared in major media, beginning with an article in The Independent that stated that the subject of the study was mobile phones and had related them to CCD. Cellular phones were implicated by other media reports, but were in fact not covered in the study, and the researchers have since emphatically disavowed any connection between their research, cell phones, and CCD, specifically indicating that the Independent article had misinterpreted their results and created "a horror story". (from Wikipedia article) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder It’s very easy to uncritically accept any ‘research’ that supports your own views – but a bit of investigation can often clarify matters. I would have expected better of the Independent – that article was very biased against mobile phones Colony collapse ? Ah yes , a bit of bad science reporting – no truth in it whatsoever;

“The Independent story was a hoax. …. the Landau University was about cordless phones and the learning behaviour of bees. The Independent misquoted them and linked their observations to CCD. No such link was found by the researchers”
From science blog ;
http://technocrat.net/d/2007/4/14/17983

“a University of Landau study appeared in major media, beginning with an article in The Independent that stated that the subject of the study was mobile phones and had related them to CCD. Cellular phones were implicated by other media reports, but were in fact not covered in the study, and the researchers have since emphatically disavowed any connection between their research, cell phones, and CCD, specifically indicating that the Independent article had misinterpreted their results and created “a horror story”. (from Wikipedia article)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder

It’s very easy to uncritically accept any ‘research’ that supports your own views – but a bit of investigation can often clarify matters. I would have expected better of the Independent – that article was very biased against mobile phones

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-55222 Huw Peach Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:53:11 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-55222 Thanks for that technical information, Patrick. I appreciate you responding to my questons. On a related subject, what do you think of the Landau University study (reported in the Independent in April 2007) which linked Colony Collapse Disorder in bee hives where mobile phones are being used? Most of our crops are dependent on pollination by bees, so this could potentially affect us far more than the proposed siting of masts. What do you think of this study? Is it being discussed by people working in the mobile phone industry? Thanks for that technical information, Patrick.

I appreciate you responding to my questons.

On a related subject, what do you think of the Landau University study (reported in the Independent in April 2007) which linked Colony Collapse Disorder in bee hives where mobile phones are being used?

Most of our crops are dependent on pollination by bees, so this could potentially affect us far more than the proposed siting of masts.

What do you think of this study?

Is it being discussed by people working in the mobile phone industry?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54839 Patrick Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:57:04 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54839 The masts need to be near the users to keep the uplink and downlink powwer levels low- the further away the mast, the HIGHER the power transmitted by peoples mobiles !!! The masts need to be near the users to keep the uplink and downlink powwer levels low- the further away the mast, the HIGHER the power transmitted by peoples mobiles !!!

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54814 Huw Peach Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:25:24 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54814 They presumably want the mast to be built somewhere away from human habitation. They presumably want the mast to be built somewhere away from human habitation.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54362 Patrick Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:57:25 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54362 OK then - where do they want the mast to be built ? Or do they want no mobile phone coverage ? If the latter, I'll assume none of them USE a mobile phone... OK then – where do they want the mast to be built ? Or do they want no mobile phone coverage ? If the latter, I’ll assume none of them USE a mobile phone…

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54086 Huw Peach Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:56:48 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54086 OK. But residents would say that that is your choice. Can you understand their concern for their children when the location of the mast is NOT their choice? OK.

But residents would say that that is your choice.

Can you understand their concern for their children when the location of the mast is NOT their choice?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54032 Patrick Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:44:38 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-54032 Yes. I work underneath one. Yes. I work underneath one.

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53957 Huw Peach Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:26:24 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53957 So you would be willing to live next to one if you had a young family, then? So you would be willing to live next to one if you had a young family, then?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53847 Patrick Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:27:32 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53847 No, it's impossible to prove something has ZERO risk (as I'm sure you know) What we need to do is weigh up the evidence and make an informed decision , free of the hysteria that the media like to generate to sell newspapers. Comments like " There is more evidence against masts than for.” are clearly untrue. A sense of perspective is required - we are talking about low power radio transmitters , not open vats of nuclear waste !!!! No, it’s impossible to prove something has ZERO risk (as I’m sure you know)
What we need to do is weigh up the evidence and make an informed decision , free of the hysteria that the media like to generate to sell newspapers. Comments like ” There is more evidence against masts than for.” are clearly untrue.

A sense of perspective is required – we are talking about low power radio transmitters , not open vats of nuclear waste !!!!

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53720 Huw Peach Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:04:01 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53720 So, if they are extremely LOW, does this mean there is NO risk? That, legitimately, is what the residents want to find out? If you had kids, would you not understand that an 'extremely low' risk -if it is avoidable- is not something that they would want their kids to grow up near? So, if they are extremely LOW, does this mean there is NO risk?

That, legitimately, is what the residents want to find out?

If you had kids, would you not understand that an ‘extremely low’ risk -if it is avoidable- is not something that they would want their kids to grow up near?

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]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53441 Patrick Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:15:54 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53441 The concluding statement merely says research is continuing - which is exactly what you'd expect. I've read the Caroline Lucas correspondence, and the reply from the British Medical Association neatly sums up the current situation - the NRPB conclude there is no hard evidence of any adverse effects, and AGNIR found exposure levels due to living near base stations are extremely low. The concluding statement merely says research is continuing – which is exactly what you’d expect.
I’ve read the Caroline Lucas correspondence, and the reply from the British Medical Association neatly sums up the current situation – the NRPB conclude there is no hard evidence of any adverse effects, and AGNIR found exposure levels due to living near base stations are extremely low.

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53345 Huw Peach Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:18:16 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53345 Thanks for the link, Patrick. You missed off the concluding statement at the bottom of the section that you quoted. 'However, areas have been identified by the WHO's EMF Project for further research to better assess health risks and have led to over US$ 250 million in research worldwide to study RF effects on health. It will take about 2-3 years for the required RF research to be completed, evaluated and to publish an updated WHO health risk assessment.' If you lived in Malinslee, would you be assured that there is NO risk, then? I've read the information on your link. Could you possibly comment on the information on my link now, please? Thanks for the link, Patrick.

You missed off the concluding statement at the bottom of the section that you quoted.

‘However, areas have been identified by the WHO’s EMF Project for further research to better assess health risks and have led to over US$ 250 million in research worldwide to study RF effects on health. It will take about 2-3 years for the required RF research to be completed, evaluated and to publish an updated WHO health risk assessment.’

If you lived in Malinslee, would you be assured that there is NO risk, then?

I’ve read the information on your link. Could you possibly comment on the information on my link now, please?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53257 Patrick Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:18:17 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53257 Well, here's a summary from the World Health Organisation in Geneva; “Conclusions: No recent national or international reviews have concluded that exposure to the RF fields from mobile phones or their base stations causes any adverse health consequence.” Star didn't like the link by the looks of it but go to the WHO home page (www dot who dot int) and go to health topics/electromagnetic fields section for full details. Well, here’s a summary from the World Health Organisation in Geneva;

“Conclusions: No recent national or international reviews have concluded that exposure to the RF fields from mobile phones or their base stations causes any adverse health consequence.”

Star didn’t like the link by the looks of it but go to the WHO home page (www dot who dot int) and go to health topics/electromagnetic fields section for full details.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53255 Patrick Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:12:40 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53255 Well, here's a summary from the World Health Organisation in Geneva; “Conclusions: No recent national or international reviews have concluded that exposure to the RF fields from mobile phones or their base stations causes any adverse health consequence.” http://www.who.int/features/qa/30/en/index.html Well, here’s a summary from the World Health Organisation in Geneva;

“Conclusions: No recent national or international reviews have concluded that exposure to the RF fields from mobile phones or their base stations causes any adverse health consequence.”

http://www.who.int/features/qa/30/en/index.html

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53236 Huw Peach Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:39:24 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53236 After reading this correspondence, Patrick, I would be interested in what you have to say about it. After reading this correspondence, Patrick, I would be interested in what you have to say about it.

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53202 Huw Peach Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:23:58 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53202 Caroline Lucas MEP, who was voted Ethical Politician of the Year in 2007 by the Observer newspaper, has objected to lots of phone masts on health grounds. On her website you can read her correspondence with the Health Protection Agency, ICNIRP, the BMA, the UK Children's Commissioner, the UK's Planning Minister and the European Commission. To find this correspondence, just type Caroline Lucas MEP correspondence phone masts into Google. Caroline Lucas MEP, who was voted Ethical Politician of the Year in 2007 by the Observer newspaper, has objected to lots of phone masts on health grounds.

On her website you can read her correspondence with the Health Protection Agency, ICNIRP, the BMA, the UK Children’s Commissioner, the UK’s Planning Minister and the European Commission.

To find this correspondence, just type Caroline Lucas MEP correspondence phone masts into Google.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53174 Patrick Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:57:05 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-53174 me me me said - " There is more evidence against masts than for." That's a bold statement - you're saying that the 'balance of evidence' shows a definite health risk from mobile phone masts ? Can you point me in the direction of this evidence ? I work in the mobile phone industry (not for Vodafone) and I've never seen any... me me me said – ” There is more evidence against masts than for.”
That’s a bold statement – you’re saying that the ‘balance of evidence’ shows a definite health risk from mobile phone masts ?
Can you point me in the direction of this evidence ? I work in the mobile phone industry (not for Vodafone) and I’ve never seen any…

]]> By: Huw Peach http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-52979 Huw Peach Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:59:58 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-52979 Lucy asked, 'What is Eade going on about?' It's called DEMOCRACY, Lucy. I know the BNP are not keen on it, but Mr Eade is doing what he was elected to do: represent the interests of his constituents. Lucy asked, ‘What is Eade going on about?’

It’s called DEMOCRACY, Lucy.

I know the BNP are not keen on it, but Mr Eade is doing what he was elected to do: represent the interests of his constituents.

]]> By: Barryboy http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-52752 Barryboy Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:50:50 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-52752 Ok then. As far as I know this isn't a TETRA mast. Terrestrial Trunked Radio is used by the police,fire brigade, etc. And nothing to do with mobile phone technology. The problems of TETRA are well documented, but that's not what we are talking about here is it. But hey never let the facts get in the way of a good argument. Ok then. As far as I know this isn’t a TETRA mast. Terrestrial Trunked Radio is used by the police,fire brigade, etc. And nothing to do with mobile phone technology. The problems of TETRA are well documented, but that’s not what we are talking about here is it. But hey never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

]]> By: CJ http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-52729 CJ Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:30:06 +0000 http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/09/26/phone-firm-under-attack-over-mast/#comment-52729 There is plenty of research into the ill effects of masts. There is plenty of research into the ill effects of masts.

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