Hounds being used on hunts in Shrewsbury will have to be kept on leads when they are on public highways, councillors have confirmed.
The issue was raised by Labour group leader Danny Moore at last night’s full meeting of Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough Council.
Councillor Moore had tabled a question raising the issue of dogs crossing main roads near Shrewsbury Livestock Market on the traditional Boxing Day hunt, to seek clarification over how the rules of the new dog control orders were being enforced.
Portfolio holder Councillor Judith Williams last night confirmed hounds were not exempt from the rules.
It is the latest issue to be raised over the controversial orders, which were were were rubber-stamped in December after councillors back-tracked on a bylaw which would have seen dogs kept on leads in Shrewsbury’s Quarry Park.
Councillor Williams said: “Under the order, dogs used in hound and equestrian activities are not exempt.
“They should be kept on a lead on all public roads, carriageways, adjoining pavements and verges managed by a highway authority, local authority or a housing association.”
Meanwhile, borough councillors are investigating the use of the livestock market after a row broke out over whether county hunts should be able to meet at the venue.
Councillor David Roberts, portfolio holder for investments, said under the terms of the site lease the livestock market could not be used as a gathering point for a hunt.
He added there were several other aspects of the lease with auctioneers Halls which were being looked into by council officials.
Councillor Moore had tabled the question.
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All dogs should be on leads in public places and muzzled. The council should also ensure that these hunters clean up after their dogs and horses – faeces is always left on the roads and footpaths afterwards.
Anyway, hunting with dogs is illegal.
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How utterly ridiculous.
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great get these animals of the streets of shrewsbury then ban their horses and hounds
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About time this happened. The South Shropshire hunt are always exercising their hounds in large packs loose on roads and they are an accident waiting to happen. I’ve seen several near misses when the hounds are being exercised when a driver comes upon them on a blind corner on a busy road – if they were made to keep them on leads the roads would be far safer.
Then when they’re hunting they let their hounds run on private property and terrorise other people’s animals – it’s about time the hunt was made to keep hounds under closer control.
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this is just political correctness gone mad. next thing you know, the foxes will be all over the place and it wont be dog and horse thingy you’ll be treading in. and what is the difference between a hound and a dog?
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Harold St.John Peasbody is the one who should be kept on a lead and definitely muzzled.If the Highways Authority can close Oteley Road for 1 hr. for each Shrewsbury Town home game, then surely they can close the road for a few minutes to let some dogs cross it. I do not agree with fox hunting but that is my choice, it seems that local Labour politicians have now taken up the anti-hunt stance following their government’s back tracking on a manifesto pledge- the same as their “we will be squeaky clean” promise and their “no tax increases” promises from the numpty at number 11.
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Why is everyone so against hunting?… and Harold its not illegal to go hunting with dogs there just not aloud to kill the foxes and more, its just become one big joke now this country is going mad!
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it is daft laws like this that remind me to put in for planning permission for a tortoise shelter!!
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Harold do you just cut and paste that comment every time there is a story about dogs because its getting very old now.
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Hunting is a disgrace. There is no place for it in a civilised country. Do you people support bull fighting and that act in Spain where the live donkey is thrown off a church tower as well?
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what a load of crap good god havent the councillors got anything better to do with there time hunting is not banned how a fox dies was what was voted on townie typ clap trapp yet again
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Some people seem to forget we (well, the majority of us) live in the 21st century and do not feel the need to parade around in pretty costumes blowing horns whilst watching an animal being torn limb from limb. Keep the dogs muzzled and leashed along with the huntsmen.
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It may save the lives of a few more wild animals GOOD ON THE LOCAL AUTHORITY
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It`s daft laws like this that remind me of what a nanny state gone mad we live in, get a life people
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The Road Traffic Act states that all dogs should be on a lead and under control on a public highway, unless it’s for sporting purposes or tending sheep or cattle. That includes roads, footpaths and cycle paths. How many owners allow dogs off the lead near roads and on cycle paths? Loads of them. I have had many collisions and near-misses while cycling with dogs roaming freely on cycle paths and roads. It hurts, a lot. And then I get abuse from the owners, saying I should look where I’m going. I just quote the relevent acts of parliament and ask for their details so I can take them to court, that soon shuts them up.
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why dont you just pick the horse muck up and stick it on your roses! people pay money for fertilizer! common sense people!!!!
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Of course it has nothing to do about hunting but it has everything to do about class issues that some mebers of the Labour party seem to have a hang up about.
Time to forget all this pettiness about whether the dogs are on leads or not and start worry about some of the more contentious and worrying issues of the day such as the anti social behaviour of drunken louts on our streets and mindless racist thugs torching innocent residents in their council houses.
So come on Portfolio holder Judith Williams and Labour group leader Danny Moore, sort out the real issues in our society and then you can get your kicks worrying about this other trivia.
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And you wonder why 260,000 people are leaving this god-forsaken bureaucratic asylum every year…?
Common sense? Such a blooming rare commodity as these councillors seem happy to prove. Morons.
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Mounted riders have the ancient right to use public roads, the local authority is actually obliged by the same right to clean any dung dropped during transit.
Drag hunting (following a false scent trail), exercising horses and hounds and gun-flushing (groups consisting of no more than two hounds flushing fox into line of guns) are all perfectly legal.
People should get their facts straight before commenting; only the huntsmen (usually up to 3 people) used to hunt the fox with hounds. The remaining riders are merely there to exercise their horses.
I find it rather strange that polluting-car drivers always seem to be persecuting eco-friendly “mounted transport” users. They are spending their own earned money keeping and riding a horse so; leave them be!
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Just get yourself down Raven Meadows or Mardol of a weekend, there’s loads of dogs without leads, why the fuss?
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These councillors are being paid good money to come up with daft ideas, vote em out when you next get the chance, otherwise things will only get dafter.
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Yes, these hounds should be on leads at all times in any public place frequented by people,children and other animals. By their nature they are hunting hounds and many instances have been recorded of them killing other domestic animals such as cats, when out of control. Packs of hounds on many occasions have been out of control being killed themselves on the roads, it’s well documented. Nobody wants them in the urban environment and nobody wants them in the rural environment
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Please will someone explain to this Borough Council that in order to move, say 16 1/2 couple (33 Hounds) on leads you would
need at least 17 people and probably more. So long as Hounds are under the whip and moving along at a reasonable pace, they will be over the road and gone on their way in a matter of seconds. A smile and a wave by way of thank you is accepted by all but a very few motorists. If the local primary school were crossing would this council insist that they each held a teachers hand or were put on reins? Of course not. When you are next asked to pause for a moment to allow Hounds to cross a road or get from one piece of country to the next, take a deep breath, be still,relax, enjoy the traditional sight and just be thankful that there is still something happening that stops your headlong rush. You won’t be held up for long. “Ladies & Gentlemen,Hounds please!”
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At the end of the day it is just a very small minority of people who are still living in the past. They are a hazard to everybody and the law is the law. That’s why the people of this country voted to ban hunting and quite rightly so. Go away you silly people and take your cruel and barbaric outdated ways with you. Do something constructive in the countryside for a change instead of persecuting wildlife, you are not wanted, can’t you take a hint. The House of Commons and the people of this country have told you often enough as well as the courts. Get a life.
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It looks as though a few feathers have been ruffled over at Liams Forum, you only have to read the rubbish there to understand the mentality of these people. Most of them still think we have an empire.
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Peter Low seems to imply that the 21st century is morally superior to the centuries before. Perhaps parading around in pretty hoodies and mugging people is more the 21st century’s style. Is it a general rule then that standards rise over time? So was the century that produced the gas chambers (the 20th) superior to the one that produced Charles Dickens and the abolition of slavery (i.e. the 19th)? All times have good and bad. Weren’t too many suicide bombers in the past, were there? Or crack houses. Chronological snobbery, I think someone once called it.
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Oh yes, what a silly idea. Why on earth should hunters have the behave like everyone else and keep their dogs on leads? Why on earth should they tidy up the mess they leave behind?
Hunters should have the right, nee the FREEDOM, to pursue whatever they want in whatever manner they want over whatever land they want, trash fences, kill pet cats, disrupt traffic, abuse anyone who opposes them even slightly. After all, they are the great guardians of the countryside. The only people who oppose them are the people who don’t really UNDERSTAND the countryside, those townies. Of course, some of those townies have lived in the countryside for generations but they don’t hunt or shoot, so how can they possibly understand anything?
Back in reality, seems like a good idea to me!
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Is this policical correctness gone mad?!
As a non hunting person I find the vindictive nature of these councillors abhorant.
I do not really have a view on hunting but this country seems to be losing its tollerance of anything certain people do not like or understand.
Sad world
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what a load of rubbish.come on the people of shrewsbury get rid of these people.the rest of rural briton is laughing at you idiots at the council.leave our lives alone.
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Its the councillor’s that need to be on lead’s, then made to pick up all the MESS they create. To think this is where our council tax goes …. to employ idiot’s to sit all day to make up rediculos laws
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sorry to disapoint the anti hunt brigade, but the government legislation still allows hunts to meet and hunt, only the acts of hunting has been cleaned up.the practise of digging up fox holes and stopping up foxholes has ceased, hunts no longer set out to hunt and have foxes torn apart. no the hunt servants set out early morning laying trails which later the hunt follows, no foxes are killed unless shot
many people thought hunting would cease following the government’s new unenforceable laws but all parts of society go out and enjoy a great social occasion with a considerably cleaned up profession. if this means a few hounds crossing the road, then perhaps a crossing patrol could be volunteered. so sorry again to upset the anti’s, get a life and go and follow a modern hunt you may learn something, hunting has never been more popular, thank you mr blair for making this possible.
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Fantastic news.
Why should these arrogant people be exempt from the laws that govern the rest of us?
Anything that makes it more difficult for these sadistic people is a good thing in my book.
Well done brave councilors.
Now can all you animal welfare people around the country please take this as a lead and write and lobby your own council to do likewise.
Pete
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I dont hunt, but i am all for it! we hear so many times that were trying to keep this country british but by taking away traditions like this is barmy! as for a comment by harold yes i do agree with bull fighting as it is a spanish tradition! so many people live in the towns and dont see what goes on in the country. Andrew what would you suggest to do more “constructive” in the countryside? build more house’s? oh wait wouldnt that be taking away homes for the wildlife? mmmmm yes it would… get a life yourself…..
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they need to worry about the dogs that get kicked out of they houses in the morning and left out to dirty with no person with them and be a hazard to people driving
when the hounds are out there is always a huntsman,a whipper-in to keep hounds close to the side of roads for cars to pass
this country is getting beyond we need to get these clown who make up these stupid laws out of they positions. KEEP HUNTING
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About time the councils used OUR money to tackle serious issues in our society and forget these predjudice ideas, all they are doing is trying to further criminalise the law abiding, respectful minorities (country folk) of this country.
Madness!
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People both in rural and urban areas can well do without a small minority of people disrupting their lives by blocking roads and having stray hounds roaming on these roads, an accident waiting to happen. Hounds have been killed on roads and it’s about time these people respect the law of the land with regard to keeping hounds under control on a public highway. Can any member of a hunt explain to me as to why hounds have been killed on roads while out hunting, it does happen so let’s not try and fool anybody on that score. I thought these hounds were supposed to be under close control, makes one wonder. I would suggest it is only a matter of time before a serious accident involving people occurs due to hounds straying onto a road.
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Totally agree with you Pete, these people think they own the roads and highways when unboxing hounds and horses, often causing massive disruption to village people every Saturday and week days. Some old people have been unable to leave their own homes or get out of the village becasue of the disruption caused by a small minority of people wanting to engage in a pastime that is well past it’s sell by date and belongs in the history books along with bear baiting, dog fighting and badger baiting. All once classed as traditional rural pastimes
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By the way Tony Russell from Devon, they are called earths and not “fox holes”.
Get it right.
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I for one say that we should bring back fox hunting there far to many foxs running around the country side killing any thing they find which means young ground birds like skylarks,which are becomeing a thing of the past,a fox has the right to hunt so has people.i know of meny farmers that did have chickins at one time ,but no more all becouse of the fox as its a pest and the numbers have to be kept down any way we can,what gets me is this how come the RSPCA lets foxs go back in to the wild when its a pest and must not be let back into the wild, but put down and thats the law.fact
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We muzzle & leash all politicians & let Jeremy Clarkson get on with running the country!End of problems
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Dear Robert, with old, worn out arguments like yours it’s no wonder the hunting crew lost the vote in the House of Commons.
What’s a chickin?
P.S it looks as though Cruella is seeing red.
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Obviously Shrewsbury and Atcham borough council do not have much experience of hounds! Put them all on leads? And I suppose the leads will probably be a trip hazard next!
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The Control of Dogs on Roads Order(procedure)(England & Wales)Regs 1962 states “In any event the offence does not apply to dogs proved to have been at the material time in use under proper control for sporting purposes”..Also isn’t the new cattle market right next to the NSDC border over which SABC have no jurisdiction if they decide to park ‘over the border’.
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Put a lead on the feral youths of today AND thier parents. It just about sums up the priorities of this country. Tally Ho, Ho, Ho.
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Bizarre message from ROBERT REYNOLDS
‘running around the country side killing any thing they find…’
- you mean finding food to eat.
‘i know of meny farmers that did have chickins at one time ,but no more all becouse of the fox’
- if a farmer can’t look after his chickens properly he shouldn’t be allowed to keep them.
‘the numbers have to be kept down any way we can’
- no they don’t. The hunt try to keep munbers up so they’ve got enough to kill.
‘how come the RSPCA lets foxs go back in to the wild when its a pest and must not be let back into the wild, but put down and thats the law.fact’
- no it’s not.
Where do you get your bizarre ‘facts’ from.
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If this is what local labour polititians spend there time debating there is little wonder that a change in the political landscape is gradually sweeping across the country. As if there are not more important items on the agenda to discuss both nationally and locally!
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Surely it’s no coincidence that the “County’s UFO hotspot” story is top of the other Popular Stories links below….?
I think we should be told!
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Robert Reynolds gets his bizarre facts from the spurious propaganda promulgated by the Countryside Alliance. The public should be made aware of all the cruel facts about hunting like training young hounds to rip apart 5 month old fox cubs so they get a taste for fox, and the fact that if hounds are no good for hunting they are shot – even young healthy hounds.
Then there’s the question of thuggery. There have been a large number of prosecutions because fanatical hunters physically assault innocent bystanders who are filming illegal hunts. I could write a book about these despicable cruel and selfish people.
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all the above realy does show a sad group of people who have class issues as always they moan about coats horns and horses ive never seen hounds running arround shrewsbury?? out of control ?? the people who whinge about the hunt clearly are clueless they on here talk as though hunting old style is still going on ??? it gives them somthing to moan about a bunch of limp wristed pc liberals who probably walk there dogs of leads in fields with live stock , leave gates open , the urban type whos houses all look the same cut grass on a saturday wash there vauxhalls on a sunday and there only exercise is going around the shops on a sat afternoon and kipping in bed on a sunday til 1pm.
rule britannia
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Totally agree with you Chris on all your points. Ignorance is bliss for Andrew, who obviously hasn’t witnessed the thuggery that follows most hunts around. Cowards most of them, usually picking on women and the older mature person. Thankfully they are a dying breed and are not wanted in the countryside, constantly making decent rural folks lives a misery. The countryside and the wildlife would be much better off without these rural hooligans rampaging through people private land and property every Saturday, killing domestic cats, as they have done on several occasions. Hunting belongs in the history books, and long may it stay there.
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The hunters tell us hunting was never so popular as it is now, with more people attending than ever.That being the case, why on earth do they want the hunting Act repealed?
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They have never been consistent with their comments, facts or figures with regard to the hunting act. What about all these hounds that would have to be destroyed if the ban was implemented along with all the lost jobs. I’m still waiting. Every last comment, spurious and untrue.
Silly people who really do need to come and live in the real world.
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It’s wonderful news. I look forward to other councils taking the same action now that Shrewsbury has had the courage to stand up to these bully boys.
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During the many times I saw various hunts including Albrighton hunt set off from Newport on Boxing Day morning: I have not once seen hounds that can in anyway be described as “being out of control.
There was very little disruption of any kind; they greeted the 100’s of bystanding members of the public who had turned out in support for a few mintues. A couple of four year olds were even seen to be stroking a good-natured hound before the hunt promptly set off.
Since farmers can no longer enjoy the service of the hunt driving the fox pest species off their land: Most foxes are now stalked and shot with a suitable police-approved calibre rifle. Perfectly humane and amazingly effective. It was rare for a hunt to get more than 4 foxes a season, now a skilled hunter could bag many more per night! It may drive anti’s up the wall but humane vermin-control is an essential part of countryside management.
Farming in general would be impossible without it in this country.
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Saying that thousands of hounds would have to be destroyed was ridiculous when they are shooting hounds all the time if they don’t come up to standard. These hypocrites are just a joke. Every argument they’ve put forward doesn’t hold water.
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Great decision counsellors hope others around the country will follow. Hunting/killing and celebrating this with so called”exercising of hounds and horses” is making a laughing stock of legislation a nd law enforcement. these people are outdated bullies grasping desparately onto spurious tradions. As farmers we don’t want them giving our countryside a bad name and we certainly dislike seeing those unfortunate hounds weaving along main roads. how many do they need to follow a trail ? If it was 30 alsations or rottweillers on the road then the council would be hammered in not enforcing such restrictions, another nail in the coffin for them please. n shrops
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Can you guys just look at how mad you look to the outside world!! Shropshire needs some PR but surely you could come up with something better to highlight Shrewbury with than an occasional sprinkling of horse poo – has nobody ever made the bright city of London – watched the royal spectacles!there is plenty of organic matter left there – Ken never seems to mind and the tourists just love it. Please council try a bit harder for the sake of your tourism! Maybe you should ask them to parade more often in Shrewsbury – not less – after all fox hunting was banned- trail hunting cannot hurt anyone.
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What a load of tosh the usual class biggits under the guise of animal welfare……
I bet the council is a fortnightly bin collection turnout?
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It is high time this pompous and arrogant lot were made to obey the law. Why should their dogs have special rights and privileges ? The sad thing is that the police will continue to let them ignore rules and regulations. So much for our “fair and honest” police.
Well done Shrewsbury council.
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Dear Cruella and Goneaway, the most amusing thing about your invitation for me to join you on Liams is rather funny, no hilarious to be honest. The funny thing is that I’ve been talking to you for over the past 12 months on it, now that is funny. Jim’s photographs have been really good and have been most useful and interesting. Keep up the good work Jim. Cruella, there is one born, every minute. You still haven’t answered my question Cruella as to why all these hounds have not been killed or all those jobs lost as was predicted by you hunting folk. I have enjoyed the court cases, how many have you lost now trying to get the Hunting Act overturned. Talk about wasting money, carry on I say.
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Our visit to England was tops!
Seeing the people, country and wonderful traditions were a lifetime hope fulled.
The sad little people who wish to ruin all this by “squeek the wheel” have no concern for anyone but their sad little selves.
Long may the traditions of a Country and the sport that brought us to visit live long.
Cheers… hope to come visit again.
Do stay as you are, the friendliest I know… ;-)
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Cruella and others involved in hunting, if you have nothing to hide and are indeed hunting within the law. Why not give us the details of your meets, especially you Cruella. Or have you something to hide, Holcombe Harriers, not the same since Alex passed away. I think you have a lot to hide Cruella and that’s why you would never give anybody any details of your meets for The HH. Challenge for you and any other hunters, if you have nothing to hide, how about some meet details.
And not the ones in the H+H mag as I already know about them.
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Why is it that all the pro-hunting contributors can’t spell? No doubt for the same reason that they believe animal cruelty is ok.
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I really don’t know Chris. I did notice that Cruella and others from the hunting rent a mob are unable to answer my questions. That doesn’t surprise me though, as they have been dodging the truth for years, however, the public and members of the House Of Commons finally found them out and that is why the Hunting Act 2004 was passed with such a vast majority.
Long live the Hunting Act of 2004
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K said: Feb 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm About time this happened. The South Shropshire hunt are always exercising their hounds in large packs loose on roads and they are an accident waiting to happen. I’ve seen several near misses when the hounds are being exercised when a driver comes upon them on a blind corner on a busy road
OK then I suggest THOSE drivers read the highway code!!
When approaching Blind Summits or corners you should drive with caution and NOT blaze round like a hare on LSD. The person at fault here would be the DRIVER.
As for all the Anti Hunt vibes I think you all need to grow up and get a PROPPER hobby! I am not a Huntsman but I have a strong RESPECT for other people and THEIR ways of life. Hunts with dogs have gone on for hundreds of years from the first domestication of dogs by our ancestors.
How would YOU feel if some tree hugger went on the rampage about Cars killing Badgers Foxes Rabbits Pheasants and Children and adults etc and getting you ALL off your lazy student asses because your cars are banned?
Fox hunting generally picks out the weaker injured or old foxes and thus ensures that the Fox population is Healthy. Foxes are now roaming into cities and into gardens and reportedly killing Pets such as Cats and Rabbits to name a few as well as others such as Chickens and other fowl. They are a PEST species which cause untold damage to the country and the country ways of life killing Chickens Ducks Geese Lambs to name a few and NEED to be controlled.
What sickens ME is to watch CITY folk who spout off against COUNTRY matters and stick their noses where they don’t belong. Leave the Country to the country folk WE don’t tell you how to run your cities do we?.
Lets not forget it’s the Country folk who supply you with Meats Vegatabes fruits grain milk butter etc.
We work HARD and damn hard while you lot munch on Tofu and scream abuse at people who cut down trees hunt animals raise animals for fur or generally pee on your hush puppies.
Without US you would have NO countryside as it’s between the Hunts the farms and the Game shooting syndicates etc that keeps the country stocked with a huge variety of flora and fauna which the Native animals NEED to thrive. We have provided habitats not only for the Pheasants and Partridge etc but ALSO for all the Native song birds voles field mice hares deer and a load of others too but your so short sighted you don’t see the benefits we GIVE rather than take.
Your all VERY sad and need to open your eyes to what we are REALLY giving you all!
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Reguarding this post by Peter
Peter Single said: Feb 15th, 2008 at 4:45 pm Bizarre message from ROBERT REYNOLDS
The hunt try to keep munbers up so they’ve got enough to kill.
ACTUALLY Peter The Hunt have NOTHING to do with Fox Numbers as the foxes reside on FARM LAND and are NOT reared by the huntsmen!
And as for THIS statement
‘how come the RSPCA lets foxs go back in to the wild when its a pest and must not be let back into the wild, but put down and thats the law.fact’
- no it’s not.
try reading THIS
Releasing foxes into the countryside could be classified as illegal under the Abandonment of Animals Act 1960
and IIRC as the fox is classified as Vermin there is ALSO another clause where it is illegal to release ANY vermin OR to keep such animals without a Licence!
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Wow – what a load of nonsense! Dear oh dear Northern Hunt. Born and bred in the Devon heartland, a real country woman, I am actually 70 this year, not some student. You are seriously ill-informed and delusioned. Not all country dwellers agree with the vile persecution of wild animals, and townies have as much right to go to the countryside as you – their taxes pay for the subsidies we farmers get from the government.
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Chris!!!
You think THATS cruel? Try working on a Turkey and Chicken farm processing the birds!
Brought in as upto 10 in a small cage on a trailer
hung upside down waiting for death
electrocuted (often never killing only stunning)
having their throats cut and bleeding to death in a dance of death
often while still alive thrown into a vat of hot water and then tossed into a plucking drum
Luckily I never witnessed one still alive AFTER the plucking drum!
People who continue to keep the demand for Chicken going fuel this! Often the same people who shout abuse at other forms of killing animals
Don’t try telling me I don’t know what Vile is!! I know but I Also know and respect others have their RIGHT to enjoy their sport.
We obviously don’t see eye to eye but I do respect you have your opinion and thats the reason for this board
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andrew james said he wanted details of meets.
pm me on the forum for details of W.W.T meets forthcoming in 2008.
your welcome to join us.for a great days sport
in devon & cornwall
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I think Northern Hunt should keep taking the medication or get something a little stronger. What utter rubbish, the hunt and shooting thugs from the countryside cause more harm than good, that is why the majority of rural people don’t want them. That is why hunting and shooting is such a minority activity in rural areas. You people are not wanted. Take your Victorian ideas and go away, you are not welcome in the countryside.
You are a minority, Cruella is just a sad case, one of many.
Some of the rubbish they talk about on Liams really does make one laugh, but then if they are on that talking rubbish at least they are not out killing animals for fun and pleasure.
Sad people with nothing constructive to add to the eco-system within the countryside.
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